howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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surprised that no one has picked upon the story today about kent police using taxpa
yers money to campaign against government cuts.
keith
the police federation is a powerful lobbyist for rank and file coppers, most definitely a union.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Ermmm, Keith, it's called the Police Federation and it is a union in all but name.
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Ross Miller
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Nowt wrong with the Lords especially when the Commons is so damned dysfunctional and appears to consistently fail to represent the wishes of the people
As for elected police commissioners - complete twaddle - it will make zero difference to police priorities, police action or inaction, police serving their community etc. All it will do is give the ballot box fodder, sorry the electorate a perception that they have some influence - Pah & Meh
ACPO & the Home Secretary will continue to be the principle players in informing police behaviour and priorities,
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Keith Sansum1
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no not realy peter, an union would look out for other unions sadly the federation very much lives in the past(it's leaders) it has some very good representatives at a more local level) but no not a union
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Barry
"Election itself would confer influence ..." ? Not too sure about that. Most people will not see a difference; many will not give a monkey's; many will see it as political meddling. I can't see too many people getting over-excited about this - other than politicos.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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MARK;
There needs to be an in between making the police more accountable but this way probably isnt going to work
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Guest 683- Registered: 11 Feb 2009
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But in reality what will be the difference between the proposed set up and the police chasing after their current targets? Very little I expect except politicians will be able to prove their 'potency' by sacking Police Commissioners every now and again. The public will feel no more involved nor see any difference on the street.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i still do not see the logic of bringing in another bureaucrat when front line policing is being cut.
as for voting in a commisioner, what info would we have to decide who to elect?
it would be like the voting in the boards of building societies, i don't know anyone who ever bothered to return the form.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Why should a union look out for other unions Keith? Surely any union or employees' federation is there only to look after the interests of its own members? If not we shall wander down the road towards secondary picketing which as I am sure you are aware is a criminal offence.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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depends peter how you view your union and if it's to better things for you,
it's grasping how unions also help each other solidarity and all that me old chum
i could go on a lot about about the old fashioned views of the federation but will refrain, so have a fair deal of knowledge there peter me old buddy
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Brian Dixon
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barryw,so its costing money then.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you have hit the nail on the head brian!!!!
at the end of the day just more taxpayers money frittered away by big government.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Actually it should save money. The idea is to replace a layer of existing beaurocracy
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barry it would save a lot more money if they got rid of the house of lords and cut mp's by half.then lose all commites etc.talking of mp's have there pay cut by 1/3 as well.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Brian;
don't totally agree with all your posting, but the part of the lords, maybe look at a more democratic house of lords
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Something Labour failed to sort out in their 13 years of constitutional meddling Keith.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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barryw
i raised this issue under a labour govt, as i have under this cobbled together govt, aand this cobbled together is no further forward on this, and likely to be before the collapse happens
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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it is in the interests of the big two not to make any radical changes to the lords, both like to use it to suit themselves.
to make someone a lord is a nice way of thanking them for past favours.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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And it's in our interest that this brothers )(costly) club is dismantled as soon as possible.
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
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Why?
The Lords has consistently proved itself to be much more independent minded and less tied to political affiliation than the commons and than any directly elected second chamber.
A directly elected second chamber will suffer from all the failings of representative democracy that the Commons currently suffers from - certainly based on the ill considered and framed proposals put forward by governments over the last 25 years
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