Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 November 2010
15:3180491Dave - so what were the specific measures? Who's report?
Jan - there is a complete myth built up to justify the terrible welfare state that has been fooling us for years. Do not believe the left wing lies and propaganda.
We would be better off with an insurance led system.
Jan Higgins
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17 November 2010
15:4780492Barry I am going to be rather personal so sorry in advance.
I do not believe "left wing lies and propoganda" anymore than I believe your prejudiced extreme right wing "lies and propoganda".
I am not an idiot and can make up my own mind and do not believe we would be better off with your "insurance led system" as I have already said. As per usual you think are right and anyone else who disagrees with your viewpoint is wrong.
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Brian Dixon
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17 November 2010
16:1180493i agree with jan here on this acount.all so cant see the point of paying somthing twice for the same result.unless you are selfish and want to push in at thr front of the que.
17 November 2010
16:2980499The National Health Service has become a bit like 'mom and apple pie' in the USA i.e. anyone who has any criticism against is the anti-christ.
I have always been lead to believe (and I'm not sure from where) that we spend half the amount per capita as in the USA for a better healthy scheme.
As part of the (reasonably articulate) middle class I have never had a problem accessing decent health care.
My youngest daughter however,having appendicitis and going to St Georges Tooting found it like third world provision.
I well remember taking an RYA course on First Aid run by a notable surgeon.
The scenario is 'you are half way between the Isle of White and Cherbourg and one of you crew appears to have a heart attack. What would you do?'
After giving the usual responses we were told that the correct answer was 'keep heading south in the hope of decent medical treatment'........
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 November 2010
17:3080513Jan - you miss the point I am making.
We have all been lead to believe that the NHS is wonderful, that we have a wonderous welfare state. But the fact is we have all been victims of a big con trick - me included.
Time to speak out about the Emperor with no clothes....
If you were German or French you would not want to swap to the inferior British system.
Time to wake up and look at what we have from the perspective of other countries.
Time to start demanding a system in which you get diagnosed and treated right away with no waiting lists at all, regardless of whether you are rich or poor. A system where vital drugs are not banned. Time to start demanding a system in which we can all expect the very best treatment for cancer to match anywhere in the world with survival rates to match.
The NHS has not delivered that, it never has, and it simply cannot do so. This is not a matter of money either and nothing to do with the superb staff who work so hard in that inferior system.
That is why we need an insurance lead system. All of us will be better off but no politician will dare to tell the truth or they will be attacked for being against the holy of holys. Any move to change must come from the grass roots.
Keith Sansum1
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17 November 2010
18:1080518Well done Jan, for saying what i have been saying for sometime on our barrys's posts.
All i can say is that i have visited/used QEQM, William harvey, Canterbury,and
Folkestone hospitals, and service was good.
Of course like anything it can be improved.
The facts do get in the way when people dont want to recognise them, but instead make political statements
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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17 November 2010
18:1880521my wife had an apointment at the qeqm for a head scan.one [1] week after a docters apointment getting the results tomorrow two [2] weeks after the intial apointment.good old nhs.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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17 November 2010
19:0480529The Uk,NHS, is still the best in the world ,why do you think they all come to the UK for treatmant,it is Free to them,I know we pay with the stamp but it is still the best.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 November 2010
19:1780530quite right vic, additionally you will find that most of those going abroad are willing to pay for private treatment and find it too expensive here.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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17 November 2010
20:0480540howard,you are right there.chauser hospital wanted £7000 for a knee replacement,the same operation in belguim £3000.so in theroy you could have both knees done and 1k for a nice holiday.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 November 2010
20:1280545brian
i have heard many such stories, the latest was one of our forum members that was talking about a major dental job, i don't remember the country he spoke of but he was quoted a fraction of what would be charged here.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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17 November 2010
20:1980551howard,i know this story is true,as my brother found out by taking my mother to a hospital in bruge.being shocked by the price comparison would be an understatement.
i think you will find that the dental job would have been done in poland.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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17 November 2010
21:1480582Barry, I have not missed the point you are making as I said I DO NOT agree with it and so far nothing you have said has changed that opinion.
Out of interest when was the last time you used the NHS, I do not mean a trip to your GP but a full blown medical problem that require hospital treatment. I would guess it was some time ago, there has been vast improvements in the NHS in the last few years that I can vouch for, having had varying medical problems myself.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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17 November 2010
21:2080585same here jan, the equipment they have now, coupled with the expertise and excellent patient care is nothing like it was say 20 years ago.
nowadays one can even choose a hospital and be offered a list of dates for treatment.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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17 November 2010
21:3480586cor blimey lol
think im dreaming all these people telling baz he's wrong
pinching myself is it all a dream?
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Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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17 November 2010
21:4480591He is wrong Keith but is not prepared to admit it. I have asked him to reply to a perfectly simple question but all I received back was another question. I simply give up.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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17 November 2010
21:4880592Dave
Far better to hold your hands up.
Still never mind at least(and at last)posters have started to see through it.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 November 2010
21:5380594Dave - you gave no source at all, a figure plucked out of thin air.... Not worth an answer.
So - you NHS fans, do you deny that there are waiting lists, do you deny the way drugs have been denied, do you deny the poor survival rates for cancer?
Do we not deserve a health service to match the best? - The NHS is not delivering the best.
Guest 670- Registered: 23 Apr 2008
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17 November 2010
22:1180600Barry, my post 7 clearly refers to the World Health Organisation, hardly plucked out of thin air and infinitely more reliable than a Channel4 documentary.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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17 November 2010
22:1480601So what was the measurement criteria? What exactly was included and excluded?
Do you deny there are waiting list in the NHS or the other points I have made? It is just not good enough.