Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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10 December 2010
10:0183889#21
Roger you are right in that no one is listening to the Libdems any more...the ears have been switched off by the voter, no matter what is said. Experts said last night that Nick Clegg has now reached an impossible situation, where the trust the voter has in him has vanished. No matter what he tries to talk about in future, people will see him as scarred and tarred by this one issue.
However back to Question Time... as we have said here in the past, in order for your message to get across you need someone with a bit of charisma and a bit of televisual appeal to get anyone to listen to you. This guy Lamb doesnt have it, sitting crouched forward the whole time, so you focused more on his haircut...and coupled with the situation they the Libdems now find themselves in, he was the wrong man for the job last night. Although it is difficult to see who they could put forward now to rescue their abysmal standing.
Keith Sansum1
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10 December 2010
10:1383890#22
paulb
I did say some time ago these divisions in both the lib dem and tory parties will result in an early election, lets see if im right.
regarding lib dems, like you say paul b the lib dem front bench have lost the faith of the electorate not only on this issue.
just looking at the KCC elections lib dems couldnt even find a Dover candidate sad but true.
look towards folkestone where lib dems were strong they gave control to tories by breaking away lib dems forming a people first party as they were disgruntled with the leadership and that was before clegg came on scene.
the lib dems are a spent force, and they know it
i suppose this will give space for other smaller parties to replace the lib dems with the protest vote.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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10 December 2010
10:1883891#23
Like me you mean Paul I am Full of charisma and appeal some even say I have sex appeal, and I see that when i am out and about, but you are right, there is not alot of the MPS of today that have that,not like the ones of the 1950s and 1960s, when they got up to talk your hair would stand on end, and you would listen to each word they said, but today they are all very boring,apart from the UKIP leader,now there is a very good talker,They have even asked him to go to the USA and talk on their TV,and he is.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 December 2010
10:4783892#24
brian
the audience of question time is carefully selected to make sure that political views are fairly well spread.
just sometimes one section of the audience is more voiciferous than the others.
Brian Dixon
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10 December 2010
12:3083910#25
howard,so a biased opions are put in just to antaganise the panel then.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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10 December 2010
12:5883916#26
not deliberately brian, the idea is to have a wide range of opinion.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#27
Well student tution fee's have raised their head again and come to bite the Tories in the butt. I would imagine that this topic will run for sometime to come. I am in the process of booking flights,hotels etc to go to my number 2 sons ,Lukas, graduation day so it's a subject close to my heart as it is with Paulb whose daughter is also at Uni but up to 36,000 university places may have to be axed after the final figures for next year's tuition fees were confirmed yesterday.
Three out of four universities plan to set tuition fees at the new maximum level of £9,000 next year, raising huge question marks over the Government's funding plans.
Of the 70 universities to publicly announce what they will charge in 2012, 46 will charge £9,000 for all their courses and a further six will charge £9,000 for their most expensive courses - a total of 74 per cent.
Some 95 per cent of those to declare are planning on charging over £7,500 - which the Government expected to be the average fee. 'Unfair': Labour leader Ed Miliband said the figures highlighted the shambolic nature of the education funding reforms.
It means the average fee next year will fall closer to £8,500. As most of the tuition fees will be paid in student loans funded upfront from Whitehall, the Government could face having to find an extra £450million a year by 2014.
Jon Richards of Unison, said: 'Young people from disadvantaged backgrounds deserve a fair shot at getting into any university in the UK. With the going rate for a degree now at £9,000, the danger is that many will be put off.
Sally Hunt, of the University and College Union, said: 'The Government's fee regime is in complete disarray and its sums clearly do not add up.'It quickly became clear that all English universities would have to charge more than £6,000 a year just to break even, following devastating funding cuts.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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#28
Good post there Marek. Personally I have exhausted myself on this topic as have spouted on about this on a number of different threads. But the whole thing seems to have backfired badly on the government. They got it wrong. The idea was just a few universities of Elite stature would charge the top fee of £9000 but now every rudimentary basic concrete version of a university is charging top whack where they can. There are no brakes on the scheme, and Cameron needs to admit this and do something about it. He clearly pointed out before ,in the original speech, that it was up to...up to £9000 but with a strict criteria. The criteria was clearly nonsense.
Can someone point out the success story here...??
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#29
more people looking for non exsistant jobs spring to mind.
thats in all sectors.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#30
I suppose one can philosophically argue that tuition fees went up in the same manner as many public spending obligations went down.
It's harder to join the Police now, for instance, because the numbers of Police are being reduced.
It's harder to find work, because unemployment is going up.
Everything goes up: unemployment, tuition fees, tobacco, cider, oil, gold, bankers' bonuses...