howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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helen
the bare bones of the letter are in post 52.
Jan Higgins
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Vic, it is a waste of time quoting percentages, all they tell us is that a lot did not vote for whatever reason they had. This vote was about the town not the district I would not expect to vote on something that affected Deal for example.
By the way I did not think this thread was about rehashing your views on the port sale that we have heard over and over again
, but about the meeting held eight days ago.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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It should also be pointed out that words are the tools to get the job done, so Vic telling us off for using them seems a bit questionable.
Guest 717- Registered: 16 Jun 2011
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Oops sorry Howard missed that post! Never has a debate gone round in more circles than this topic! Not only on this forum but other Dover forums as well. The crux of it all to me is 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. I should think the Secretary has this topic under a large pile of paperwork on her desk as there is just too much controversy to deal with, the government has enough going on right now.
Keeps politics to myself
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Jan is right, the thread was originally about the meeting 8 days ago, when it seemed clear that the DHB plan seemed the prevailing option, and we of Dover were asked what we wanted to do with our share of £10 million.
I decided I'd buy a house with my share of that money
In fact I was surprised to see the P/p plan back on the table again, because first they tell me 8 days ago there is a meeting about the money coming in from the DHB privatisation scheme, then I'm told no, it was about the P/p plan.
I'm confused
Vic is right that only 8% of Dover District voted in December in the Parish poll. Perhaps that's why the meeting went ahead 8 days ago for the DHB plan.
I didn't attend it, though
One good thing, when I go to the Promenade, I always see the Dover Harbour Board Port, and it is not privatised, and has a charter attached to it
Helen makes a good point, that that which is not broken doesn't need fixing, and so the documentations are probably lying deeply buried under a tonne of other papers.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You are very confused indeed Alexander.
All that has happened is a publicity drive by DHB to promote their option in the public consultation period.
You jumped to too many conclusions and got them all wrong.....
Unregistered User
Just to make a point of clarification, The Sale of Trust Ports document is not about the Port of Dover privatisation but a consultation document affecting all Trust Ports nationally & each have responded.
It contains many of the points DDC made in response to DHB consultations and updates previous Trust Port legislation options.
Watty
Ross Miller
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Barry, Peter, Neil etc. many of us get the points you are making and thank you for your tolerance of those who appear to be capable of starting a fight in an empty room.
As a friend of mine keeps saying
You can lead a horse to water....
But a pencil must be lead!
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Paul W, I never actually made out what DDC has for a view on the Port's future. Obviously I don't want to be indescrete, but I noticed that by and large DDC has kept out of the public debates on this issue, for example in relation to the people's port proposal.
Probably a wise move.
Is DDC in any way in contact with KKC concerning their proposal to introduce a port levy on all vehicles passing through Dover Port?
Again, I don't want to be indescrete, so no need to reply if you feel it is an out of place question.
Thanks.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Sorry, that should have read KCC.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
i think that you will find that fuhrer paul and d.d.c. had a clear plan a long time ago that somehow got adopted by d.h.b. in recent times.
i am speaking generally here, someone clever might have more detail.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Bloomberg ,well that a blast from the pass in my working life we was working in their big set up in London for the best side of two years,
Anyway they are saying just what I have been saying at public meetings over the last two years,that the port of Dover trade is going backwards and the port could have see their best years now behind them. Car numbers are down by 21% and passenger Traffic that means bus,s foot passengers etc is even more then that,Truck Traffic fell by 3% giving the rail 31% of it and that% is even still going up.
They talk about the port going to Auction,one I must say I did not think about. The P/P plans for a take over are very small about 10%.But if the port went to Auction they would not even get that,the bidding would be much higher then the £300million they can borrow. The Port of Dover should ride this all out by staying a Royal port within a update of the Royal Charter.This way the port is safe and will not go bankrupt,it is still making money and would stay that way,the port would not need to borrow £300million and the big thing is it would stay in UK hands and this is the only way it will.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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PaulW.
I have been say on this forum for a long time, that I believe the way forward, is to change the Trust Port legislation to better accommodate Dover/Deal.
Every single time I have mentioned this, I have been slammed with the same reply, even by you i believe, that changing the trust rules would never happen.
Now you are telling us "It contains many of the points DDC made in response to DHB consultations and updates previous Trust Port legislation options"
Can I ask, was one of these DDC update option's "to opt for status quo, with better financial benefits for Dover"?
After all, the people's port only got an 8% vote which on the face of it seems as though many do not want change at all, they just want to see more financial benefits coming from DHB.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Gary I Think that both of us are saying what most of the public in Dover and the district are thinking it should stay with the Royal Charter updated to take in what you are saying.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Vic - you are a lonely voice, only a few support your 'no change whatever the cost' viewpoint. There must be radical change for Dover to actually benefit from the Port and the People's Port offers that. Tinkering with the Charter is no good at all.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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You can not say that Barry you only got 5000 voting, and in the town only we have over 28000 living in the town wards and on top of that there are some 80000 in the District that did not vote, and as I told all of you at that time your wording was wrong on the voting paper and was very miss leading and that is why you worded it in that way.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Here we go again, the voters were wrong I am right.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Its not about me Jan but the public of Dover and the parishs around it, and what they think is best for Dover and the port,and with only 5000 out of 80,000 voting on a miss worded voting paper,is not the way to find out.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Vic - really this has been done ad-nauseum. You are in a minority and have no data to support your view, get over it.