From today, discredited - The Nobel Peace Prize...
- 12 October 2012 11:27195500This once desirable and respected award has now been totally discredited.
It has been awarded to, the European Union. I wonder what the Greeks think of that?
This fascist big state organisation is now a Nobel winner........
How out of touch the awards committee must be. The European Union has done nothing to secure peace in Europe, and achievement that belongs to NATO. - 12 October 2012 11:39195503The peace in Europe is maintained through proxy-warfare. The Nations of Europe continue with their arms-race, for retail, mainly.
The Nobel prizes have long ago lost their cachet, and their Peace Prize any meaning at all.Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 12 October 2012 11:52195507i remember john hume of the sdlp in ulster winning it, most deserved.
- 12 October 2012 11:55195511I am just so glad that you do not have any influence over government policy Tom. You have a very strange way of looking at things.
- 12 October 2012 12:11195513I knew you would turn all complimentary eventually Barry.
Oh, to be in the peaceful environs of,Spain, Italy, Greece.....Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 12 October 2012 12:24195517A shambles! How can you possibly award a Nobel Prize to a land mass?True friends stab you in the front.
- 12 October 2012 12:45195527A discredited award for a discredited state, the sooner we leave the EU the better
- 12 October 2012 12:48195528By the way what is "proxy-warfare"?
- 12 October 2012 12:51195529Much the same as war-by-proxy, and it is not at all 'by the way'.Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
- 12 October 2012 12:55195530OK I'll start again.
What is war-by-proxy? - 12 October 2012 13:02195531The prize was discredited years ago when they awarded the hight Priest of bed wetting, Al Gore, an award for ,er, bringing the world's attention to climate change.
For years it's been in the hands of lefites and they tend to award their friends and insiders little gifts for financial and other services rendered. - 12 October 2012 13:04195532Spot on Philip, mutual backslapping at its most nauseating.
- 12 October 2012 13:24195535If I remember correctly the Peace Prize was also given to Obama, not long after his election... Utterly pointless and for doing nothing
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12 October 2012 13:46195536Crazy award, I suppose there were no serious contenders so it was a case of 'we have to give it that lot will do'.-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
------------------------------------------------------------------- - 12 October 2012 13:49195537The Cold War rolls on...
"Europe's First War of the 21st Century"
http://aei.pitt.edu/9382/
The latest...Syria?
"At the international level Russia and China have consistently warned against intervention in Syria, as have the IBSA countries (India, Brazil and South Africa). All these powers felt that they were outmanoeuvred by the US and its European allies over Libya, and have treated Syria as a chance to reassert their influence. "
http://www.iss.europa.eu/fr/publications/detail-page/article/the-eu-and-syria-everything-but-force/
"The privatization and commercialization of war..."
"The return of privatisation in the new wars,
... Most of these wars are not fought by well-equipped armies but by the hastily recruited militias
of tribal chiefs or heads of clans, plus the armed followers of warlords and the like.
Above all, the weapons used in the new wars are cheap — small arms, automatic rifles, anti-personnel mines and machine guns mounted on pick-up trucks. Heavy weapons are only rarely used and, when they are, consist mostly of
remnants from the stockpiles of the Cold War.
That wars of this type can be fought — and even fought successfully — is mainly due to the fact that they are
not decided on the battlefield between two armies but drag on interminably in violence directed against the civilian population. Whereas in symmetrical conflict conditions the mere preparation for a war — to say nothing of waging one —
has become ever more expensive, the strategists of the new wars have succeeded in making direct warfare so cheap that it is once again a promising business.
http://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/other/irrc_849_munkler.pdf
21st century conflicts in Europe itself...
2001 Insurgency in the Republic of Macedonia
2002 Perejil Island crisis
2004 Unrest in Kosovo
2004 Adjara crisis
2007-present Civil war in Ingushetia
2008 Unrest in Kosovo
2008 War in South Ossetia
2009-present Insurgency in the North Caucasus
2011-present Kosovo-Serbia border clashes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_EuropeIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 12 October 2012 13:59195539It was awarded for promoting peace and democracy across Europe for 6 decades. You can make an argument that it is unlikely that France will be at war with Germany and/or Britain any time soon, something which has blighted Europe for centuries. How much of that is down to the E.U. is debatable, but it has played a part. As forpromoting democracy, that is laughable. At least they didn't award it the Noble Prize for Economics.
- 12 October 2012 14:21195544As you know, Tom ,war has been corporatist since at least the late 1640's.
- 12 October 2012 14:24195545the livelihoods of those in the arms companies rely on the deaths of people around the world, usually the poorest who have no chance of having their voices heard.
- 12 October 2012 15:02195553Nations have a perfect right to defend themselves and their interests against aggressors and these are usually totalitarian states who start them. WW2, Korea, The Falklands, the first Gulf War - all in response to totalitarian invasions.
You cannot give the EU any credit for peace in Europe. That credit belongs entirely to NATO. If anything the next European War will emerge because of the EU and its controlling bullying tendencies. Democracy is a stranger to the EU. Democracy is fine as long as the great unwashed vote the way the European masters want. Give the wrong answer then you peasants must go and vote again until you give the right pro-EU answer. European integration has been driven by deceit and lies right from the start as power is gathered in Brussels. - 12 October 2012 15:05195554The EU is all a Conservative Party ploy, you say Barry?
It strikes me that all hate about the EU you want for your Party.Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.