Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Not true Howard I along with many others wish our parishs to stay as they are,That is why I have joined the Parish council and why i am going for the District council seat at Whitfield,it is not only about the parish of Whitfield but the other parishs aswell ,what parish is next on the list.We have to try and stop it.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I can see Vic getting many Tory votes at Whitfield, and predict that he will win the vote there.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex
even vic must realise that the contest is between the blues and yellows at district level.
at parish level there are good local candidates that have been active for many years.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Howard I am already on the Parish Council ,At District I would like to get in,but if I can not but do stop the blues that will be OK by me.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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apologies vic you are indeed a whitfield parish councillor, i cannot always keep up with your electoral victories.
you are right about affecting the result at district level too.
sure to be a close run thing.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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In Whitfield I predict the blues do not stand a chance of getting anywhere near a victory! Vic made a very good decision to stand in Whitfield, and I also imagine that there will be a high turnout there, as surely the people in Whitfield will not take this one sitting!
Keith Sansum1
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I think if it's correct people of whitfield have asked the council to tak a step back and have a short delay thn surely this should be looked at.
Obviously with the goverments view to build all these houses theres a need to find where they should go.
It was promised at he start of all this that the majority would not at whitfield but obviously this changed.
I'm not aware that the opinion in whitfield has changed from the early days, and residents are trying to get the best from a bad deal.
in May these same people will go to the polls remembering those that pushed this through.
it's a question of;
1; are the lib dems locally damaged enough by there power hungry leader to
lose them votes in whitfield
2; will vic take votes enough to win(i suspect not)but will take votes off the 3
major parties and make the result very very close
3; will d hannant be damaged by the tag of his party both nationally and the
public meetings in whitfield(i suspect this to be the case)
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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It has been asked on here a couple of times why I voted one way on Monday evening's Scrutiny meeting and another way on Wednesday.
It has nothing to do with a whip or anything like that; I'm not anyone's lackey either. It was because there was so much missing on Monday that we found out later (Tuesday evening) that was actually cemented in, as PaulW called it.
I was concerned on Monday about the school building (the timing of), the phasing of the development itself and all the other community facilities.
After the Scrutiny meeting, I chatted to some of the people from Whitfield Parish Council and Whitfield Action Group and although they would prefer no build at all, they accept there will be and so want the best for the village, which the SPD now guarantees.
I'm sure the people of Whitfield would not want the whole area as a building site for 25 years or so, random building here and there; the SPD stops all that, stops the uncertainty.
Vic, if you really thought that Gordon's arguments were more logical, future looking and created an air of certainty for the people there, then I'm afraid you either weren't listening, or you completely missed the point.
NOT approving the SPD Wednesday evening would have been the worst possible scenario for both Whitfield and Dover.
Gordon knows that and so does Clive.
Roger
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Vic
I think that's a terrible unfounded slur on one of Dovers nicest gentleman. Although I don't fully support Rogers politics I admire his commitment to his constituents and I doubt very much that Roger would attempt to mislead the good people of Dover.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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MAREK;
I think the question should be, why was the information given to the tory cabinet 2 days after the all party scrutiny committee met?
is there a reason this information was not made available to the scrutiny committee?
The scrutiny committee will only work if party politics is taken out of it
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Keef
I am not fully conversant with the workings of the scrutiny committee but my main point was if Roger states he was not instructed to change his vote then his word should be accepted.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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MAREK;
Sp;eaking to ouyr forumite john, he told me mr watkins spoke directly to his group rather than the full council telling them to vote for this new proposal, but that's fine, my point is not realy what roger did or didnt do, thats for roger to decide. i do believe as we no longer have a democratic committee system and as we saw with nigels toilets fiasco at mo 1 person out of 45 clrs can make a decision
and scrutiny with all it's faults is the best of a bad deal at the moment to rectify this.
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Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Keef
So correct me if I'm wrong what you are saying is that PW is leading the council by it's nose to his drinking trough. In which case I agree individuals should vote freely and how they see fit not led by party dogma.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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It is about closing rank with your party even if you are not 100%behind with their thinking,all partys do it when there is going to be a election.
Brian Dixon
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kieth, i am niether botherd or remotly intrested in who done what,when,for what ever reason in this fiasco of new builds at planet whitfield.
the whole thing is a fiaasco invented by the last labour goverment followed by the condem party,and its the local goverment [in this case ddc who gets the flack].
so i sugest your point your finger at brown/blair pareing befor you start on local goverment.
in conclusion it was a labour goverment who instegated the new build insentive.
ok rant over [it had to be said sorry].
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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VIC;
No that's not correct, but i think we should allow john to maybe give a few postings on his views of the night, and others if they so wish.
I think to move this on it would better to see the scrutiny and it's role, and how the cabinet is not a system that is democratic, and we live with that, of course these systems could be looked into, but this administration is happy with it.
roger remember is part of this administration.
now let's see if we can be a bit more comnstructive and try to see how the scrutiny system can hold the cabinet to account, maybe one way would be not to flood t with administration cllrs, try to get a fair balance of cllrs,
see what other ways the scrutiny committee can work in an effective way, it can be done if people truely believe in the system, i'm not so sure at the moment that this is the case
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I would like to join in but I am off out,I will take off my remarks they were not bad in anyway but that is what I have done end of story.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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BRIAN;
Like you i don't care who started, supported, or finished the whitfield proposal,()although whether or not it was a labour govt who started it all off, you have to admire paul;w for supporting it throughout) mine is just to point out the present sytstem and how these things get arrived at.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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kieth,no need for tit for tat scriberlings.he said she said etc.
