howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Brian Dixon
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all i can say is about time to,having worked for an agency for a couple of years i have had experiounce of this.often poorly paid long hours when you get work,no holiday pay.and of course regarded as scum of the earth.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you're right of course brian, if the law goes through without a challenge from the government there will be more permanent jobs doing the rounds.
the agencies will be mortified of course.
Keith Sansum1
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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the agency i worked for charged arond 7.50p per head for its agency workers i was lucky to see 5 pound of that.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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yep a complete rip off
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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They have to make a profit and pay for on-costs, NI admin etc.
It works well too for both employers and employees. Agency work was the way into full time work with my two son's current employers, both different, so don't knock it...
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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i think people use these geezers in desperate plights like todays climate
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barry you are partly right.its down to firm who you are temping likes you or not.and that was down to expereance.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Really Brian? Well my sons each temped straight out of school with different agencies and ended up with different firms, two out of two get taken on in full time employment and are being given training leading to occupational qualifications and skills.....
This is a good way into employment. It gives an employer a chance to see you work and a chance to impress that you might not otherwise have.
If we relaxed employment laws as we should it would encourage employers to take more risks over employing staff and take more people on. Restrictive employment legislation reduces employment opportunities.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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barry,thats why i said you where partly right.but these agencies do need regulation,ie better pay,holiday money etc.
I routinely use agencies to check out potential staff - if the staff are good it is an investment to cough up the agency fees for poaching their staff. If the staff are rubbish I chuck them back!! I think its called symbiosis!
It is worth noting, as I find myself in shock and in need of the glass of fizz my Old Man has just handed to me, that I agree with BarryW........
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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bern,lay down in a darkened room with asprin quick.
Ross Miller
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My issue with this is more at the upper end where it could go one of 2 ways
either
a) a significant cut in freelancer's pay rates to account for the extras firms will now need to provide them, coupled with maximum 3 month terms to avoid the 12 week rule
or
b) a significant reduction in full time non managerial roles at the middle and upper echelons of firms so as to minimise pay comparitors etc.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
agency nursing is most profitable as the agency charges the NHS around £15.85 per hour for each nurse and the nurse gets about £9.89 so why don't the NHS pay a nurse a decent wage and work for them instead of the agency.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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not sure of the present system alan but i did temporary work in 1995 for 6 months and the agency invoice was 3 times the hourly rate that i was paid.
with regard to nursing maybe the n.h.s have done their homework with regards to national insurance, paid leave and sickness pay but would a temp have the same comittment as a permanent one?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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ross,dear chap,your point "a"is slightly of isnt it,3 months equates to 13 weekf does it not.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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More regulation Brian and higher pay would mean less jobs and less opportunities. As for holiday pay, I remember one of my sons coming home with a big smile one month with a bigger than usual pay packet from his agency because, guess what, it included holiday pay!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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im sure that the agencies do some good work
but brian reminds us how some just rip you off
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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There are good and bad in every business/trade and occupation. What you do not want to do is to take action against the minority of bad in a way that also damages the good. That is a tendency we have seen a lot too much of in recent years.
