Keith Sansum1
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22 October 2010
22:1076157HOWARD;
I'm not so sure, I have no Idea what the Town council spends all its dosh on and would prefer to see what they do provide dosh for at the moment before deciding if big amounts should be set aside to upkeep toliets that are far from inviting.
The other questions have to be;
1; What will it cost me to have the town council take them over?
2; Will the District council reduce there part of the council tax if the town council
takes them over? or thats like paying twice
3; Will other projects go, or be put back if the town council takes over the toilets?
4;If the answer to queston 3 is yes, which ones
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Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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22 October 2010
22:2276161Keith, the Town Council's main expenditure is listed in the consultation document, plus questions asking people how much extra they'd be prepared to pay.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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22 October 2010
22:2476163RAY
Ta mate, must pop down and grab a form tommorow
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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22 October 2010
22:3676169Ray
went on line but it wouldn't let me fill it in
will pop down for a form t moz
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Guest 640- Registered: 21 Apr 2007
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23 October 2010
07:1276187Unfortunately weather abysmal as I write but if you can get over and talk to the councillors today it could be good. Its all at Maison Dieu House. The plan was for them to be outside but it may be indside now as I glance out the window.
DTC are willing to listen as they've proved recently so now here we are again. Let them know what you want your money spent on. Click on our DTC rotating banner or go to the 'Advertise with Us' Page where you can see a static banner with more added info. Click on the banner and it takes you through to the DTC form. Just fill in the form its easy peasy.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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23 October 2010
08:3376194paulb
got the form up but it wont let me fill it in don't know why
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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23 October 2010
09:4876202had trouble with it myself, will try again later.
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23 October 2010
10:1676207Keith , the answer to your question about costs was published here back in January. Each toilet was itemised.
No, you will not be charged twice ,the figures will be removed from the District Council budget and already have in the cases of other Towns and Parishes who have taken over responsibilty for payment.
As I pointed out in another posting cuts between minimum of 28-33 per cent are being factored in.
From the figures DTC have produced in their budget statements, with unallocated sums and this years budget they are affordable.
Your other question is for them to answer.
Watty
23 October 2010
11:1376210I have changed my time today to 12 to 1 pm then I shall be having a surgery at Blakes!!
D
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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23 October 2010
13:1976222I have changed my mind and will focus on the May elections instead!
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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23 October 2010
13:5476223Whilst there is a thread running on Dover Town council I felt It only rght to explain my position on Dover Town council.
There have been a number of persons giving the impression i'm anti the town council when nothng can be further from the truth.
believe decisions should be made at the lowest possible level and have supported moves both at this level and even down th community groups taking ownership of there own communties.
I felt the need to correct the impression as, although there are indvidual cllrs I may not support, the concept of a town council I do support
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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23 October 2010
20:0476281Further to today as I was unable to fill the form in onlne, as many others have mentioned to me.
a popped down to the stall, filled out the form, and it was nice to chat to chris p
and briefly to J Tranter.
Also to clear up the differences with David H(SORRY MATE LOL)
Make sure you all get down there.
Paulw;
Thankyou for your reply, my concerns would be the budgets for town council.
Who ever runs the toilets in the future, there needs to be a review on the standards of the toilets, and future use.
I'v aired my view, have/will you?
PS;
Could I suggest future consultation is better advertised to get better results
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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24 October 2010
07:3576340I've not been on the Forum much lately so apologies if the following has already been said; I haven't read anywhere else that this exercise is going on (I don't walk around with my ears and eyes closed), so perhaps a bit more/better publicity about it would be in order.
A good number (most ?) of people would like more localism, where decisions are made at the lowest level and Town Councils are the lowest elected level we have.
Toilets and tourism are two inter-linked services - both benefit a lot of people, but neither are strategic responsibilities; both very worthwhile, but are they necessary for the Town to be successful ? many visitors to the Town visit the public toilets and they probably create a false impression of Dover as they are ones not to be proud of.
The Town Council must act in a way that benefits the Town, its residents, businesses and of course, visitors and not the party they belong to or what they perceive as to be in their party's interests, even if that is a long-term advantage.
Back at the early part of this year when at Dover Business Support, I started asking businesses whether they would be happy (in principle) to allow the public to use their facilities, if a sum of money came forward to pay them for this service.
All those I asked, said yes; I couldn't complete the exercise as I was sacked in March, but I do think that this was something that the subsequent DBS Manager could have done and his succesor could do too.
There would be a need for public toilets, but maybe not so many.
This argument came up many times earlier in the year, on here and in discusions outside of the Forum; I said then and Paul W has recently confirmed on here, that if the DTC took over the toilets, people would not be charged twice and so avoid double rating.
DTC were going to take over tourism early last year and talks with DDC and the Chamber of Commerce were active. Two locations were visited and discussed and decided upon, but sadly, because of the time taken (for whatever reasons) both premises were lost.
Suitable large (ish) premises in or around the Market Square are essential for an increasingly successful tourism unit; stagnation will only cause it to wither and die and we cannot afford to have tourism do that, we need a bouyant tourism centre - for everyones's sake. We need a pro-active tourism body too.
Roger
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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24 October 2010
07:4776341ROGER
I share most of your posting, apart from 2 items;
1; I'm unaware of the Town council has ever been run in the interests
of any politcal party, and there are many Town cllrs from both Labour
and the alliance parties that work closely together as you say in the
Interests of Dover.
2; The use of business premises toilets has so many flawa
such as, if someons was to have an accident in the toilet who would
they sue?
Would people feel comfatable using toilets in a business when not
wantng to purchase anythng?
lots more, a lot more work would need to be done on that one
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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24 October 2010
17:0076419We are quite happy for tourists and others to use our toilets when we are open, as long as they show some common courtesy and ask permission first. If they don't, I try to catch them as they leave and get them to put a pound in one of our charity boxes. Likewise when people ask to use the phone. Our phone contract gives us cheap calls all over the world - 1.5p a minute to the USA for example - so we let them use the phone and ask for a charity donation. Usually they put in 2 or 3 quid. That's a good multiplier.
PG.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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24 October 2010
17:0376422Well done Mr Garstin please tell me how you would go about if one of them fell over ,would you be held to blame.?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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24 October 2010
17:0776424We have 3rd party liability insurance which would cover any such eventualities, provided we had taken reasonable care such as 'wet floor' signs etc. We have undertaken a risk assessment and are happy with the situation. So are our insurers. This should not be a bar to people opening their premises up, it is purely a myth promoted by the elf&safety brigade.
PG.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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24 October 2010
17:1376428Thank you for telling us but what are your feelings on Public Toilets,and if you think that they should stay open even if we pay to use them.?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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24 October 2010
18:5776452I would be happy to pay 50p for a pee if I was desperate, I think for people to expect such facilities for free is unreasonable. Also if you had to pay 50p to get in it might reduce the number of people who are only looking to nick the copper pipes.
PG,
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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24 October 2010
19:0376457Mr Garstin.I think most of us feel the same way then I hope you filled the form in,from the DTC this weekend and telling them that.