The Gov- Registered: 24 May 2020
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Just watch the link from Button. Total waste of time and Money. It,s about time ( DHB )Don.t Hurry Boys put some of the money back to the town who they have cut off from the bench due to Greed.
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The Gov- Registered: 24 May 2020
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Sorry beach
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Button
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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I must admit to thinking that 'Dover' and the 'White Cliffs' were iconic global brands, with 'port' being self-explanatory. Bit like 'Heathrow' and not at all like Masterchef. Oh well, wrong again!
I remember when Rokold, a frozen foods transportation company, had 'Rokold' re-designed, the loop in the capital R becoming an exact circle. This, apparently, depicted a tyre rolling down a slope and hence referenced the transportation aspect. Yeah, right.
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Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,927
I still say Dover has a lot to offer if only things could be coordinated
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Karlos- Location: Dover
- Registered: 1 Oct 2012
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Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
- Posts: 346
Better than the shipping containers but it does look like a migrant accommodation block.
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Matey
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 11 Oct 2021
- Posts: 178
We’ll get there eventually!
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Gary39- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
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Gary39- Registered: 7 Jul 2017
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I wonder if they got the design from the block of flats from the communist era in Poland
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Wonder why Dover appears As the poor relation?
For some reason lacks in ambition?
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Agree no ambition.A wasted opportunity.Members of the Planning Committee are not looking at the bigger picture.We got rid of Burlington House which was an eye sore but replacing it with similar buildings .The so called Art Centre no ambition.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
So what would you want instead?
What would you spend the harbour boards money on?
What would you build with the future high street fund money? Especially given there is a deadline to spend it.
You need to stop being part of the problem & start to become part of the solution...
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Well an Art Centre is not the solution.shops with character .The ones renovated many years ago The Green Room and Curiosity Shop.The Planning of shop frontages should be applied.Less fast food shops.Good quality clothes shops .Better transport links to the Town ..Chamber of commerce should encourage shops we need .A decent fish shop .
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
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Ross Miller wrote:So what would you want instead?
What would you spend the harbour boards money on?
What would you build with the future high street fund money? Especially given there is a deadline to spend it.
I'd start by ignoring deadlines for spending my money. As for the harbour board's, I'd use it to maintain and improve the harbour, repay loans and develop student accommodation and the Wellington Dock site.
It's not so much the hotel design that surprises me, as the need for and viability of another hotel.
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victor matcham- Registered: 5 Oct 2021
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Why do most of you think that you are right and others wrong ,in what they do nothing wrong with our town they are getting it better then it has been for years, I HAVE lived in Dover all my life apart from m y Army days and working away ,sorry but some of you are not from Dover but have moved here at some point and still here ,why is that ,if it is as bad as you try to make it out, why have you not moved out and gone back to the place where you come from? is it because they were worst then Dover ?Some of you have been on the district and town councils yourself and I did not see any big changes that toke place then ,but I am seeing alot now and most for the good of the port and town,yes still some way to go but getting there.
Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,706
Sue Nicholas wrote:Well an Art Centre is not the solution.shops with character .The ones renovated many years ago The Green Room and Curiosity Shop.The Planning of shop frontages should be applied.Less fast food shops.Good quality clothes shops .Better transport links to the Town ..Chamber of commerce should encourage shops we need .A decent fish shop .
1. The vast majority of retail/hospitality premises in the town centre are not owned by the council so how do you propose private landlords are incentivised to firstly "renovate with character" & secondly attract quality tenants?
2. Yes DDC can have a proposal for shop frontages & types of tenants but that is likely to mean extra costs for landlords that will be passed on in rental terms thus disincentivising the sort of shops you want as their cash flow is generally patchy compared to high volume businesses like take aways & cafes.
3. Whilst bus services are deregulated & outside local authority/democratic control market/commercial forces will dictate the routes, service frequency etc offered.
4. CoCs have little power to influence the types of tenants, especially given the level of private landlords..
There is nothing wrong with a creative centre provided it is focused on the locals & their needs & wants & has a robust business plan to ensure it does not need additional public funds to allow it to function.
What the town centre absolutely needs is a proper neighbourhood plan that is adopted by the council, proper co-operation with the residents of the town & a single body representing the interests of the town centre.
There needs to be a recognition that in this post Covid world shopping patterns have changed & that this impacts the form & function of town centres, with them needing to transform into a socialising/meeting/entertainment rather than shopping venue .
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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Button wrote:I'd start by ignoring deadlines for spending my money. As for the harbour board's, I'd use it to maintain and improve the harbour, repay loans and develop student accommodation and the Wellington Dock site.
It's not so much the hotel design that surprises me, as the need for and viability of another hotel.
In the case of the Harbour Board & their proposal for another hotel, I totally agree with you & would have preferred to see them use their funds to develop the land around Wellington Dock into good quality housing & hospitality venues as well as the things you suggest.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Ross always the voice of reason .ignore Yes as Post 415 suggests if we don’t like it go back to the place where we were born .Things have not improved.I loved the Harbour when you saw the yachts going in and out .When the sailing club was thriving .Now we learn the yacht club will go.Yes if you have a car and can whizz around very good.The Bus Service to StJames never materialised .When the buses went to Market Square ,There were some lovely shops there,.The handcraft shop the art shop and the lovely gift shop.Yes if you can whiz around in a car it’s fine.I was against the big screen and after a few years I was proved right.The St James area not as the original plans .The shops most of them are multi chains .Do they decorate their windows ie for Easter?No. I’m sorry Post 415 I will not return to my home Village .My former home now over a million.I represented this district 24 hours a day.
I was involved with the rebuild of the old Metropole building beautiful when I opened it now it’s gone to wreck and ruin.Pencester Gardens try standing there waiting for a bus .why would you want to wait for a bus which does not run very often whilst fights are going on.A lot needs to be done ,I was involved with the Dover Musuem and it is thriving .
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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So much passion and wisdom in these posts. They are a pleasure to read (apart from the ludicrous suggestion that you have to have lived in Dover all your life to be able to express a valid comment).
I moved here in 1982 but lived in Folkestone/Hythe from the 60s. I got the impression some time ago that the town's development was never coherent, being (as it seemed) a dual, but unconnected, endeavour between DDC and DHB.
The latter, with its trust port status, has always been effectively unaccountable to nobody. How Sir Jeffrey Stirling was hell bent on privatising them will never be appreciated by anyone outside the P&O boardroom in the late 80s. Unfortunately for him, Maggie finally met her demise and his political influence went with her.
As for the former, it strikes me that they have been more concerned with the well-being and development of Deal, Sandwich and the villages than they have been with Dover town. Political influence? I don't know and I'm quite happy to be shot down in flames. How many councillors actually live in the town? My first exposure to them was the Farthingloe planning debacle (my cause celebre, I know) but I was staggered when I fully understood what a cynical and corrupt episode that was. The amount of taxpayers money spaffed on that piece of cronyism would have paid for a nice new town centre toilet block if that was what people wanted!
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
I agree Ray.I was dead against the Farthingloe :development as planned.I voted against it .Sadly when I was made Chairman I had no input on planning however I never accepted any for of hospitality from developers.I turned down Helicopter rides etc.
I have always spoken up for Dover I cannot agree with some of the projects I think I’m right the Man in charge of DHB is an Americian .so much for being a local?
still sometimes people get out of the wrong side of the bed.
