Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Keith the guys on the Folkestone Rd will have cost the community money by dropping their garbage in the street. The sooner people have a realistic expectation of a spot fine for such behaviour, the sooner it will stop.
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Guest 672- Registered: 3 Jun 2008
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Isn't it surprising how a little hissy fit from a yob can wind so many people up.
It seems to turn people into drama queens at the thought of a yob being told right from wrong.
Get over it, He will. Give the big guy a medal.
grass grows by the inches but dies by the feet.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, it was only one of the two guys on Folkestone Road who threw the kebab container on the pavement.
Are you defending the yob's action?
No-one knows what reaction would have come from him, because no-one asked him to pick it up.
The nearest public litter bin was ten yards further down in the direction he was walking. It was just for the pleasure of being a disrespectful yob with no regard for other people.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Your last sentence sums it up Alexander. And how do you change that attitude and how do you deal with it ?
We all can imagine (some have experienced it first-hand) what a litter-lout would say if you told him to pick his rubbish up, can't we - and it won't be "Oh, I'm sorry, of course I will.
This may be the season of goodwill, but some people simply don't have any - towards anyone else.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
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PETER;
I was responding to alexanders changing views, in relation to the litter droppers i have no more time for them than the yob who abused the guard.
ALEXANDER;
At the end of the day it's about fairness, and it appears a little public spirited person should be applauded, and ok the guy on the train maybe went over the top a little, but the yob abusing the guard for some time doesn't appear to be being looked upon in the same way, in fact some are saying its ok that he abused the guard.
GENERAL;
I understand although advised not to, some people do still have public spirit and want to help, and attempt to educate some that choose not to abide my rules and regulations.
We should appluad public spirited people, but also be clear that those that wish to break the law/rules/by laws etc should be dealt with not pussy footed around.
for to long do gooders have got in the way of sorting out some society that has got seriously out of hand.
Of course this is only the tip of the iceberg, as there is a lot more to do to correct the bigger picture, but i hope the guy who abused the guard is dealt with.
To not so sends out all the wrong signals (please excuse the pun lol)
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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spot on keith, the only answer to these minor but irritating actions is the on the spot fine.
having said that i have no idea how many are paid, a large number of fines imposed by the courts are not.
And they,in turn, cost money to process.............
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Roger, the problem is that he didn't even speak English.
Too many people of that sort have been told only one thing, how to go to the automatic cash till and cash in the benefits for the whole family, and every imaginable benefit, from JSA to child benefits to council-tax.
They are not even required to sign on and are not asked to look for a job either. We pay for them and have to pick up their empty kebab boxes on the street after them.
Some months ago I saw one of them walk along Folkestone Road with a suit-case and, opposite Priory Station, lob it over the bridge that crosses the rail track. My inner temperamental temperature soared, but what was I supposed to do?
He then saunted on to the town centre. A lout about 16 years old, and no he wasn't British. For that sort, everything is for free. That are not the people who come here to work, of whom I have known many. I'm talking of a sort that come here and never work.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ALEXANDER;
Not wanting to move to far away from the original title, we have UK residents that are the same as those non UK residents you describe
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Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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on the subject of on the spot fines the answer is easy,do what the continental police do,1,issue ticket.2,frog march them to a atm [oops sorry that should read escort] 3,extract cash from misscreant.every bodys happy.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, whenever violence is being used, I always inform the Police, no matter who it is.
Possibly to conclude my point on the thread, the act on the train, which did not involve violence or threats of violence, should have been sorted out through the Police, not privately. The train should have moved on and the guard could have informed the Police. That's all.
If we encourage the public to use violent means in such cases, the idea could spread, but it could also lead to bitter fights if there is a reaction.
My counsel is, if someone is committing or has committed a violent or threatening act, don't hesitate to inform the Police.
And if a scene - such as on the train - is not violent, don't use violence to solve it.
That's all, Keith. End
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Alexander, Keith is right, we do (sadly) have many English yobs like those from overseas; who is worse I don't know, but they both display unacceptable behaviour - and yes it is sickening/annoying/frustrating and it will only stop by more Police or PCSO's on the streets to see, catch and fine them.
Roger
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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More Police, that is what we need. We must tell the Government we need more Police, and immediate intervention whenever required.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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a bit late now alex, the die is cast.
they say that there will be more visible policing but less total numbers of officers.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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but bac to the item thread
the yob should be treated equally as the so called person who got him off train
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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There must be absolutely millions of tragic tales of slight 'bumps' that result in horrific injuries and death.
What possible tragedy is likely by way of bad language or fare-dodging?
Utterly righteous logic though...that the skimpily dressed, and the plain Jane, rape victims should receive the same condemnation?
Why would anybody contemplate charging a fare-dodger that claims to have purchased the correct ticket...without checking first?
Did the so called person...sorry the yob, inflict his injuries upon himself?
It's apples and pears Keith.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, if the man who threw the other man off the train wants now equal treatment as the man he threw down, he should have first applied the law: "don't do to others what you wouldn't like done to yourself."
If a policeman had behaved in that manner, he would have been disciplined.
Now the tough man must answer to a charge; he said he was tough, so let's leave him to it. He had his 5 minutes of acclamation.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I hope he doesn't have to face the same situation as last time as he obviously couldn't cope; I wonder if he had any new training while he was off work.
I'm not going into the rights and wrongs again of what happened and who did what, but surprised that it is still not resolved - still under "consideration".
Roger
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Told you!
The train operating company was at fault or nothing happened...
http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16166041Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
