Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Surely reconciliation, apology and forgiveness on all sides concerned - all sides having over reacted - is worth immensely more than a trivial £2 ticket to hatred!
Brian Dixon
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alex,a yob is a yob who has no respect.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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alex is right about reconciliation, apology and forgiveness.
the problem with that is a punch up the bracket is usually more effective in these circumstances.
Jan Higgins
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Alex wrote......."Calling people yobs is in itself a sign of a lack of respect towards our fellow passengers in life."
What would you call somebody who behaved with lack of respect for others, naughty boy/girl does not quite cover it.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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Alexander.
I could easily take your view on #41 and would prefer that it was the norm, if it came from all sides.
Do you really think you would get "reconciliation, apology and forgiveness" from the yob, that is clearly showing total disrespect to his fellow travellers with no remorse whatsoever?
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Keith Sansum1
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FFS. I think we all agree, at bottom. The young guy was in the wrong and the big guy did what we would all have wanted if we had been there. But the question is, at what point does civil responsibility to act tip over into simple thuggery because we disagree with a behaviour.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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BERN;
Sorry but thats not quite the message coming across from some posters
unless im reading them wrong.
i think im with roger on this one where we should be seeing at least the same kind of action taken sagainst the yob by the police
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Which yob?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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bern ha ha
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Bern, it's Christmas we must just leave the 'big' boys to their toys.
Wishing you, each and all, a worry-less, yob-less and joy-full holiday.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Gary, you are bringing on Christmas past, present and future at the same time.
That what happened at the time is the past.
The present would suggest reconciliation.
Of the three people who could be called a name in this episode on the train, the three active participants, each has something to say sorry for.
So one cannot compare sentiments after the fact with those at the time, providing there is a sense of realisation on the part of each person involved that they did something wrong or unnecessary.
You make it look as if the person who swore is still searing at the guard now and will do so in the future. So will he be called "a yob" tomorrow and next year?
If one keeps calling people names, what else than anguish will come from it?
Has the big man come forward and bothered apologising? Has the guard recognised he might have exagerated and risked causing delays to tens of thousands of people for a ticket worth £2?
As it stands, the big man has something to answer for, he used violence on a passenger and it was not to defend anyone.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Indeed, he drew blood from a fellow passenger!
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It's not the £2.00 fare Alexander.
I would guess that the "yob" is still swearing - at some one and maybe on a train.
The big man did not hit the yob, but removed him from the train, if the yob fell over as he touched the ground - so what ? He should not have started the problem in the first place.
This kid was arrogant and will always be so; to turn the other cheek to his actions - current and future, will encourage him to do more anti-social type of behaviour and he may progress to be a real pain - to think he is just a mis-understood young person, is niaive in the extreme.
Roger
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Roger, I did not use the term "to turn the other cheek".
The idea was, to have politely asked him to stop swearing. This could have been the intervention of fellow passengers.
Any other decision should have been priority of the guard alone.
Two days ago, two young men were walking along Folkestone Road in front of me after I crossed from the other side, they were eating from a fast-food container. One then dropped the big empty kebab box on the pavement, presumabely having finished the meal.
He then turned round and looked at me. I didn't even say anything. Perhaps I should have asked him to pick it up.
But they both spoke a language I couldn't understand, and possibly didn't know English.
But what is the difference between this bad behaviour or that bad behaviour? It is annoying when people do bad-mannered things.
Don't misunderstand me, Roger, I don't like hearing people swear, or seeing them litter our streets out of sheer disrespect towards other people, but what can one do in everyday life?
To just lay hands on someone could lead to reactions, and I didn't feel like having a fight in the street. But it was annoying.
If I had been a policeman, I would have intervened and had the rascal pick the box up! And believe me, Roger, I wouldn't have given him the other cheek!
I ask again: are we to simply pick and choose which laws we abide by?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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which ever one thats pricks your conshunce bern,then abide by it.merry xmass.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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there you go then alexander;
in relation to your posting;
the guys on the Folkestone road, didnt give you abuse
didn't cost you money
didnt delay you going anywhere
and lots more
TOM;
Your posting does you no justice
ROGER;
I see where your coming from
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