Unregistered User
21 February 2011
20:0493692Howard, I agree with your posting & the conclusions.
It does not matter which level delivers the services providing the public only pays for it once.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 February 2011
20:2093695paul
i hope you agree that the lowest level i.e.town/parish is best for the small things that matter and district is best for the issue that affect the district.
the problem for me is the next level i.e. county, having said that i have no problem with k.c.c. while we watch councils around the country bringing the axe into play over vital services, k.c.c. seem to have managed not to impact too much on the front line.
i have not seen any swimming pool, library or leisure centres closures detailed.
Unregistered User
21 February 2011
20:3193697Swimming pools & leisure are District functions.
Library services County.
Watty
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 February 2011
21:0093703apologies for confusing the issue here, the point i was making(very badly) was that front line services seem largely unaffected.
the rural bus services will continue until the end of the year gving local communities time to find an alternative.
ddc seem to have safeguarded most services too as best as possible.
Jan Higgins
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21 February 2011
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 February 2011
21:5093715i hope you are wrong jan,the demise of ddc would leave more time for john to extend his philandering career.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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21 February 2011
22:0593717The Power of District Councils is geting less some is going to KKC and some is coming to Town and Parish councils .Will we see the end of District Council, could be but it will not be for some years yet.But all I would like to see is a new planning Dept which would help this town of Dover and stop all the fencing going up. there is alot more I could say ,but said it all before so I will not bor you with it again.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 February 2011
08:0293753The difference though John, is that you have a whip - so you all have to vote the same way and we don't.
If I'm not sure about something I'll ask and if I'm not convinced, I won't support it.
Roger
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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22 February 2011
12:3593782Tell me once you have voted against Roger the way all Tories voted.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 February 2011
13:5193788sounds very much like party dogma and ideology take precedence at d.d.c.
pity really, most issues affecting the town are not political.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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22 February 2011
20:22938383 years ago John - car-parking charges increased. I got up to speak about it and was told I couldn't do so because it had already been decided at cabinet.
I've not had to vote against anything since because I have supported the take on whatever it may have been.
Roger
Keith Sansum1
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22 February 2011
20:3393842once in 3 years
cor roger you were brave lol
oh howards views on town councils i go one step further howard and go to an even more local leve;l communiy groups give them more powers and they know about there communities often more so than town councils
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Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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22 February 2011
20:4793844Proof of point!
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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22 February 2011
20:4793845interesting point you raise keith, you have clearly taken dave's "big society" onboard.
the only difference with you would be that the volunteers would have funding that the town council had previously.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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22 February 2011
20:5093846HOWARD
I have always believed in decisions at the lowest level possible.
often town councils like district and county are out of touch with the local community, and im sure there are many ablre to helprun there communities together with town/district counties
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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23 February 2011
07:5593864The Priory Forum had a meeting on Monday evening and many, many people were invited - just a few turned up though.
Why can't local people be bothered ? Monday evening was O.K. weather-wise - is Emmerdale and Corrie too important ? - more important than trying to help build and improve their community ?
It may be good to bring decision-making down to the local level, but if apathy is ruling, such a small group can't make important decisions - one-way routes, parking problems etc. etc. We need more community involvement, not less.
Roger
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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23 February 2011
09:1693866Sorry I was not aske to go but was going anyway,but in the end I did not ,I am out at meeting most days and somtimes at night.I hope that next time more turnout but one must never give up,just keep doing your best.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
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23 February 2011
10:2593874roger,its down to apathy that keeps people away,the soaps dont help either.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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23 February 2011
10:5793879not apathy at all roger, the priory forum is made up mostly of councillors, council officers and the rest of the establishment.
the last meeting i attended we were told that the council would act on any reports of anti social behaviour, i pointed out that i was still awaiting a reply to my detailed complaint of a year earlier. we had migrant helpline tell us how they were helping the incomers to integrate and to become british. a member of the public asked if she could tell them no to congregate on streert corners and in alleyways, her reply was "that is their culture.
questions were asked of the police officer present and the replies were just pre prepared statements.
Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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23 February 2011
12:4293884The problem with community groups (not all of them) is that because they tick so many boxes in council and government objectives it is the politicians and officers who are pushing to establish them. Rather than getting groups that are trying to do something for their communities you get groups who are trying to fit in with council and government objectives, or political party objectives. Some, such as the LRCF, have avoided this so far but they will all feel the pressure to fit in with policy rather than genuine community need.
Local politicians and officers should be attending to listen, not to organise and direct.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
you District and County Councillors one of you would have to go.