Keith Sansum1
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21 February 2011
16:5893652#1
I was told that all does not bear well in the alliance camp when it comes to working closely with labour.
some are getting upset becauseDistrict labour cllrs take an interest in the town council
and some alliance cllrs are realy getting hot undr the collars
i thought the alliance was all about working with all parties
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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21 February 2011
17:0293654#2
Can we have examples, Keith? I find riddles and innuendo very hard to get any facts from.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 February 2011
17:1093656#3
i always think it seems very difficult to represent town and district, conflicts of interests must happen.
as an example we have the never ending toilets issue.
Guest 695- Registered: 30 Mar 2010
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21 February 2011
17:1593657#4
I thought you said never ending toilet tissue Howard
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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21 February 2011
17:1893658#5
on this occassion i'm going to protect those that it happened to.
one is a poster, it's realy up to that individual if they want to comment further.
but it's not good for relationships between the two
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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21 February 2011
17:2293659#6
That's a good reason to take national party politics out of parish councils, Howard. One also really has to ask whether we have too many tiers of Government. Think how much money would be saved if we had just Westminster and an East Kent unitary council.
Amalgamate district councils into big lumps of say 1 million population each, and abolish county and parish/town councils. And kick Brussels deep into the long grass.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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21 February 2011
17:2993660#7
What Keith is saying is true but it has been that way a very long time,thats why I left the Alliance and went on my own when I was on the Town council. But even the reds do not get on with each other on the Town council.The new town clark will have her work cutout.In alot of ways it is just the town council can not get on with its self.But saying that over the years I do think that the town council have done good.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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21 February 2011
17:3993664#8
vic
thankyou for the comments reference the alliance which is always denied.
peter;
i'm coming round to the idea of reg hansells of unitary authorities.
and have posted on here before on how many cllrs and to many tiers of local govt
all costing us a fortune.
so on that part peter i have agreed with you, and raised many postings before
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 February 2011
18:2193669#9
i think we are all agreed that there are too many levels of government, i am against getting rid of town and parish councils though.
they have small budgets that can cover thngs that are important locally, more so with parish councils.
people in villages and rural areas sometimes feel that they are paying council tax to a distant authority and getting nothing in return.
parish councils are best placed to decide what is important in their locality, could be village hall improvements, toilets, bus shelters or anything else that is an issue to them.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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21 February 2011
18:2593670#10
yes howard but they have to show(town councils and parish)
that they are worthy.
kcc to go
districts amalgamate
cost Savings would be enourmouse
sadly it wont happen
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21 February 2011
18:5793674#11
So what's new Keef.
Your government backed down , this government will achieve it through attrition & has said so.
What they don't intend to do is legislate for it & let councils particularly the big , powerful ones [in financial terms] waste your money campaigning to keep themselves in existence.
I agree with an East Kent grouping & we are moving in that direction. It is better to let it evolve & manage it than paying £££££ achieving it by arbitrary dates.
It will happen.
Watty
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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21 February 2011
19:0193676#12
which means paulw it wont happen.
and its not my govt.
and as i keep saying i dont give a ship who achieves it i will appluad whoever does be it tory lib dem labour indy
i dont care
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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21 February 2011
19:0593677#13
I will go along with Mr Watkins on this one.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 February 2011
19:2093680#14
looking at the posts above i must be on my own on town/parish councils.
i thought that would have fitted in with the localism sound bite.
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21 February 2011
19:3093682#15
Possibly they could Howard, but with politics at Town Level & running both District & Town agendas by dually elected cllrs it won't work easily.
I agree Town & Parishes should not be politically led.
I don't think the public want it that way.
Please Keef don't quote me what Conservatives do elsewhere, I know what I believe & it is quoted in the second paragraph.
Watty
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21 February 2011
19:3093683#16
The problem with 'letting it evolve' is that you will end up with two large regional authorities blurring the lines of who deals with what while town and parish councils are expected to make up the differences, without adequate funding, resources or authority to do so properly. In theory a steady evolution could be desirable but in practice it will lead to more demarcation problems, and probably more blame passing.
Keith, I really do have a problem knowing who this imaginary alliance you talk about is, it bears no relation to the Alliance I belong to. We can and do work with people from all parties if we feel they are right in what they propose for the town. We do not discriminate on party lines nor do we take sides in other parties internal divisions.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
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21 February 2011
19:4093684#17
So Chris , as neither the last government or this government will legislate, are we wrong to try & move the agenda voluntarily & take the savings i.e. evolving the policy?
What demarcation problems & more blame passing?
If you mean confronting reality , I put my hands up.
It can be managed calmly & in a planned way or you do the wham,bang methodology & payout massive redundancy bills.
Watty
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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21 February 2011
19:4293685#18
Chris,is that what I have come across recently,I don't think so!
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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21 February 2011
19:4793687#19
come on chaps i know it is nearly election time, but most parish and town councils are run by local people with no party affiliation.
toilets. halls, shelters, allottments and the rest are non political.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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21 February 2011
19:5493691#20
Most Cllrs work with each other,on DDC scruity is cross party and we normally find a cross party agreement,the committee consists of Tory Back benchers Labour Cllrs and a Lib.
On the Town Council there is normally agreement on most things when I was on there but that was 5 years ago,very rarely went to a vote.Until recently I worked with Town Councillors on projects of all colours and as I have said in the past,my ex next door neighbour is on the benches opposite and I have friends on that side as well.The strength of the Labour Party at District Level is their unity,yes we have disagreements but go to Council united,that is the same usually for the Tories as well.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!