howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#21
just around the corner from your offices david, this illustrates my point perfectly.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#22
What's the solution Howard?
Business is bleak for pubs, the landlord simply won't have the money to do what he would like with his property, even if he did its entirely his business
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,931
#23
David, that is no excuse for having broken tatty furniture dumped outside and weeds growing at the base of the building.
Out of interest was official permission given for the tables and chairs as they look like they are blocking the pavement.
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#24
Jan, I guess that's true but private property is private property, the owner has no obligation to anybody
Guest 904- Registered: 21 Mar 2013
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#25
Yep, it does look a 'dive', but what incentive does the Landlord have, given the example set by DDC owned land that surrounds the property? I'm sure he took the pub on having been led to believe that the area was being developed into a regenerated central hub of Dover....
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#26
paul/david
it doesn't cost much to clear rubbish away and put up a few plant troughs.
the lord nelson just a stones throw away set an example of how it should be done.
incidentally i have now read the piece in the express and absolutely nobody who was quoted there came out well.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#27
Howard, nobody would disagree about the appearance but what should be done?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#28
a lot is being done david, the dover society together with the two councils have been locating properties where the owner has neglected them and sending each a letter reminding them of their responsibilities.
most have responded in a positive manner, in most cases it is just a question of removing vegetation and/or litter.
incidentally this eyesore above the funky monkey has been like this since i moved here, hopefully they have been notified of their duty.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,948
#29
howard
your talking to David L
he will choose not to understand
now, I think everyone knows my distaste for the express but that's personal to me
so no, im not surprized they articles they produce.
With regard to councils there are 3 howard.
and howard your correct with regards to cllrs, and business's.
of course as neil says we should talk up the positives
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Guest 944- Registered: 16 May 2013
- Posts: 57
#30
I think what Howard is trying to say in his second sentence is that whatever their shortcomings, it is not the the District or Town councils that actually drop the litter etc and that some responsibilty for trying to improve the state of the place also rests with businesses and landlords, some of whose customers/tenants may be among those dropping litter etc.
It always easy to blame councillors, but their actual power & resources to tackle the sort of problems a town like Dover has are, unfortunately, limited. Sue is one of the hardest working councillors there is and she does care.
To put things in perspective, Folkestone has had in excess of £50 million pumped into it over the last decade or so via Roger De Haan and still it needs more. Dover has had no equivalent help from the private/charitable sector (which is nobody's fault, we just lack a Roger De Haan).
None of which is to say the councils don't make bad decisions, we all know they do, but neither do they have a magic wand. Not even Sue!
Andrew Richardson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
#31
Excellent post Andrew, your wordsmith skills put things into perspective.
Mr De Haan has indeed pumped wheelbarrow loads of dosh into Folkestone's creative quarter and it has always amazed me that it has not been the great success expected.
I have never heard anyone say to me, wherever i have lived that "we have a great council" and i expect that i will go to my grave not hearing same.
You were a fellow councillor of our Sue in River ward a time back so are more "in the know" of her qualities so are qualified more than most to give an opinion.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#32
howard your talking to David L he will choose not to understand
This comes from a person with the comprehension skills of a 5 year old.
The situation is perfectly straightforward, private property is exactly that.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
- Posts: 6,950
#33
I doubt very much that this issue is entirely straightforward at all. It might be little more than ingrained British stubbornness.
Stubborn or not, sooner or later, the expectations of the greater community are brought to bear; from dilapidations to rights of way.
From the news recently;
Locally a dog walker 'mauled', but no action was taken as she was on 'private property'.
Slightly further afield, a man was killed by a bull while using a right-of-way. Charges pending, the animal has been put-down...
http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/Man-killed-bull-footpath-attach/story-12039837-detail/story.html#axzz2c7XaICxzIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#34
From flower pots to being mauled by a dog and killed by a bull.
Welcome to Tom's world
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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#35
David Little wrote:Jan, I guess that's true but private property is private property, the owner has no obligation to anybody
What about his obligation to the community that will be his customers providing his income. Those who show no obligation are possibly heralding a future sad to see area such as parts of Folkestone Road .
BTW I gave up trying to understand the logic of "Tom's world" a long time ago.
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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#36
Jan, I agree entirely with your sentiment, but if you look at the town as a whole, with the exception of the 8 Bells pubs are on their knees and/or up for sale. I'm sure Mr McMullan would love to decorate his building but just won't have the finances.
If I were to knock on your front door and complain about your curtains I'm sure you'd be quite cross
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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#37
Neither Howard nor myself have said anything about decorating the building what we have said is there is no need to have things like broken old furniture sitting on the pavement.
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Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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#38
Good job we have not adopted the American "sue culture". I am sure the weeds, cracked pavements and street furniture which litter our streets would provide ample obstacles to trip over. Couple of insurance claims and maybe the public and private sector may decide whether if it would be more cost effective to clear up or not.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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#39
well said Lesley#
I wont go down to david's level
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Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,087
#40
Talking of weeds - there are loads on the pavements and in the street gutters this year. Have KCC Highways (who have the pavements and roads) and DDC (who have the road gutters) decided to let them all grow without control this year?
