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    I think what Howard is trying to say in his second sentence is that whatever their shortcomings, it is not the the District or Town councils that actually drop the litter etc and that some responsibilty for trying to improve the state of the place also rests with businesses and landlords, some of whose customers/tenants may be among those dropping litter etc.

    It always easy to blame councillors, but their actual power & resources to tackle the sort of problems a town like Dover has are, unfortunately, limited. Sue is one of the hardest working councillors there is and she does care.

    To put things in perspective, Folkestone has had in excess of £50 million pumped into it over the last decade or so via Roger De Haan and still it needs more. Dover has had no equivalent help from the private/charitable sector (which is nobody's fault, we just lack a Roger De Haan).

    None of which is to say the councils don't make bad decisions, we all know they do, but neither do they have a magic wand. Not even Sue!

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