Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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As I have explained over and over again Barry. It's not our money. It's not our money any more than a plot of land owned by a local authority is our land.
So what if the plot were once ear-marked for recreational use and is now to be sold to speculators, however you would doubtless use your argument for a contrary purpose.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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thanks ray, i knew someone would come up with an explanation eventually without all the politics.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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But you do not regard any of our money as 'ours' Tom.
You are keen to support any level of taxation, even the theft in Cyprus.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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By all means let us call it 'theft'.
So...no theft, no bailout...then what?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Brian Dixon
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highway robbery maybe.
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Tom Austin wrote:By all means let us call it 'theft'.
So...no theft, no bailout...then what?
How about the govt spends less?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Agreed David.
We are only in this mess because of irresponsible spendthrift governments, ours and others.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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here are some cut backs i would like to see.
1,all subsidies in the restraunts and bars in westminster,they pay full price or go without.
2,mp's to have there wages cut back by 1/3rd.
3,mp's staff cut back to 1 secatary + 1 resercher.
4,limos only to be used on state ocasions.
well thats enough for now.
Jan Higgins
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Agreed Brian.
I fail to understand why there are bars at all at Westminster, the MPs are supposed to be at work not on a jolly.
I suppose they would say it is where they hold informal meetings, I would say hold them over a cup of coffee like 'normal' working people.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I have meetings in bars a lot - its a very civilised way to do business Jan.
I see Brian wants to stop or prevent them from actually doing their constituency work with what he wants to cut out. Personally I consider sorting out constituent problems a vital part of what they do and for that they need their staff.
Incidentally - they are underpaid and we get our democracy on the cheap. Cuts to this are peanuts on the scale of what is needed. It is our bloated benefit culture that must be chopped - it is the biggest spend.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i would agree with brian on 1, 3 and 4 but think the salary is about right.
do you have your business meetings in taxpayer subsidised bars barry, i think not?
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Exactly Howard
Barry, I assume I am not helping the bar owner where you hold your meetings to keep his prices artificially low, which via my taxes I am doing for a group of people who can easily afford to pay the going rate.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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exactly jan,its about time its stamped out alltogether.
but to carry on the council tax thing,will the queen be paying the bedroom tax on her london and windsor propertys.
buck house has 240 bedrooms god knows how mant windsor has.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Jan - in business more deals are struck in bars (and gold courses - not me, not a golfer) than in the office.
Networking is vital and it is where 90% of my business comes from. Breakfast every week at 6am is a regular and followed up with frequent meets in pubs/bars for a beer as well.
It is equally as important for politicians who network with each other, the media and others on in respect of their constituency and legislative rolls. Building personal; relationships is an important factor in politics as it is in business. The bar is a good place to do it, essential in fact.
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Are DDC employees working round the clock? I applied to pay CT by 12 monthly instalments by direct debit and they sent me the revised bill at 2.35 this morning or do they get a discount for sending emails off-peak?
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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Barry, having been involved with the pub trade since my late teens I know a lot of business is done in bars but not one of those bars was subsidised by the tax payer. With the greatest respect I am not interested how you conduct your business that is up to you, my father was a successful businessman so I know all about networking.
There is no sound reason why the Houses of Parliament should have any bars yet alone have the tax payer pay for them. I can't help but wonder how many of the stupid plans by past and present MPs have been thought up and even voted in after too many drinks at these paid for by the tax payer bars.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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jan,go girl you tell them as it is.
Keith Sansum1
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Cant disagree Jan
If they have to have a bar don't subsidise it
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Jan Higgins wrote:Barry, having been involved with the pub trade since my late teens I know a lot of business is done in bars but not one of those bars was subsidised by the tax payer. With the greatest respect I am not interested how you conduct your business that is up to you, my father was a successful businessman so I know all about networking.
There is no sound reason why the Houses of Parliament should have any bars yet alone have the tax payer pay for them. I can't help but wonder how many of the stupid plans by past and present MPs have been thought up and even voted in after too many drinks at these paid for by the tax payer bars.
Jan - there are many people working in Parliament, not just MPs and Peers who, in fact, are in the minority. Many employers in both the private and public sector provide subsidised food facilities, specially as in Parliament where the hours are unsocial. There is nothing new here. Are you against subsisised canteens in hospitals?
To be frank I personally am not defending the subsidies themselves but I most certainly defend the provision of the bars and restaurants in Parliament. These are important for the conduct of business of which networking is a major part as it is for business.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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ok barryw
keep the bars if you must
but don't subsidise them
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