Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#1
......Bill just in.
KCC, Fire & Rescue - no increase....
DDC 1.9% increase......
The Police 2% increase.....
Dover Town Council 34.5% increase
Now, in this time of austerity what essential services do the Town Council provide that requires a massive increase compared to the police, fire brigade, County Council and DDC?
The answer is nothing, not a thing.
Every member of DTC who voted to increase their precept by such an astonishing amount should hang their heads in shame.
Ross Miller
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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#2
mmmm percentages are funny things arent they
How about the hard cash numbers ...
Band C Council Tax = £1349.44 an overall increase of £26.46 (2%)
KCC £931.36 - no increase
Police £128.75 an increase of £2.47 (2%)
DDC $148.88 an increase of £2.78 (1.9%)
Fire Service £60.40 no increase
DTC £83.05 an increase of £21.31 (34.5%)
Now £21.31 is equivalent to £1.77 per month or 41p per week
Interestingly in overall cash terms both KCC & DDC are asking for more of my money than DTC is and is at the same time cutting services or pushing them onto Parish Councils and/or voluntary organisations.
Not sure where I should be pointing and shouting...
edited as I did the maths in a hurry and pressed post before I checked it DOH
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Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#3
At least there's not wads of paper with the bill.
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#4
due to cut backs terry,the cost of paper these days.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#5
i posted elsewhere on the forum that i assumed that the town council had taken on services from the district council.
sadly they come across as a secret society so will only find out when something happens.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#6
I think Deal's precept went up by 25% - also a Labour Council - not too clever with (your) money.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#7
roger,where did you get tha precept from,the torys cant be trusted either.and the lib/dems are a unknown concept on money matters the reason being they havent had a go sinse 1948.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#8
The Conservatives have always been better at looking after money; every time they come into Government, they have to spend a lot of time sorting out the previous (Labour) government's mess.
Roger
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#9
The Non-Conservative have always had to make up for the abysmal under-spend they regularly inherit.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#10
thats why they keep taking all the money back then roger,labour sorts out tory underspending then torys snatch it back,its rather sickning roger.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
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#11
roger
you joker
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
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#12
This is a silly game
County & District councils have to work under a regime of restricted ability to increase their precept so have to cut services to live within their income, they push some of these services onto Parish councils, who are not restricted to a 2% increase in precept and can therefore fund them (if they choose to) of course this then means a significant rise in percentage terms in the parish precept. It really is time the rules of the game were redrawn, firstly to reduce the number of tiers of government, secondly to ensure that a fair percentage of local tax take remained in local hands (income/corporation tax, VAT, business rates etc.) this would the encourage local government to work with local people to make their patch more successful as they would then have more money to spend on local services etc.
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#13
I agree with most of your posting Ross, but I'm not sure what services DTC have taken over from DDC. The toilets (as far as I am aware), still haven't been fully resolved. DTC did contribute about £70,000 towards the cost of moving the TIC to the museum.
The water feature in the Market Square hasn't made any progress and we may find out that the cost of that may be prohibitive, so we keep our very popular fountain (when it eventually warms up).
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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#14
well its warm enough for the folkstone one to be working.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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#15
Ross
Good posting mate agree totally
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Guest 652- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#16
Parish and Town Councils are preparing for what is to come, where they will also be capped.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#17
The fact is that Town Council's do not do any of the important statutory stuff. If the police and fire brigade can keep their precepts down to 2% or less then DTC who do nothing vital could do so too.
The argument that it is a small amount is not the point here.
If this is to cover services passed down from DDC or KCC (the more important major ones cannot be passed down like that) what exactly are they? Specifics, not generalities are needed here.
As for the absurd 'underspend' argument we see above from Tom and other socialist ideologues- the problem is not just the overspend you get from Labour, it is that their overspend drives the economy into crisis time after time. There is only one way to solve a crisis brought about by overspending and that is to cut spending. If governments (local, central and supranational), place a ever bigger burden on the private sector that ultimately shoulders every penny of this burden then the economy is going to suffer and that means we all suffer.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#18
Your logic Barry would see motor vehicles regularly towed by horses.
The all too necessary spending is ever too much too soon. People like you want everything for nothing, that's the problem.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#19
You are being absurd Tom. Back to reality your faith in politicians to spend our money more wisely than we can is touching, and so so wrong.
Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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#20
I was at the Town and Parish precept meeting at DDC when the coming changes were explained.
Councillors were told that with the possibility of capping in the future they would have to consider if they had sufficient reserves to cover potential costs of elections, referenda, etc , and how much they needed to build them up if they are not sufficient now.
Some councils have taken this advice to heart a lot more than others.
