Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,888
Peter,
with regard to your last two sentences.
Keith, I believe there are more right wing councillors who post but more left wing members who post political comments or is it just that they post more.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
finally got a missive from the blues today and now have read it and can now point out some inaccuracies.
1) a proper hospital for dover due to positive action from our local blues.
the decision to locate the new hospital at buckland was made 2 years ago approx, charlie was campaigning against this insisting it was was just a polyclinic. now it seems to be a proper hospital.
2) our 3 local blue candidates want to see our borders secure!!
how is a local councillor going to have any say on the matter.
3) the reds are planing an emergency budget if elected meaning a possible £.100 council tax demand.
that is a blatant untruth, if a tax was levied then the government would punish them with further cuts in funding.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,888
Nit picking from me this time.
No 1. does say "our local blues" I read that to mean councillors not mp, but I agree with you on #2.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
well spotted jan, i should have added the bit that said "dynamic new conservative m.p. charlie elphicke has made progress and the new hospital now looks to be moving forward".
the fact is that all decisions were made by the health authority a while back( vic knows the full facts).
the whole issue has been a football for local politicians of all colours with their own agenda.
thankfully the bureaucrats got their way and we will get our hospital.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
Except it will not be a hospital but a polyclinic.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
exactly my point, if it was proper hospital then it is a proper hospital now, if it was a polyclinic then it is that now.
no wonder that people line the bottom of their budgies cage with this literature.
Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
- Posts: 3,205
This must be the leaflet we heard about,they had to seek legal advice!
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
JOHN
I did hear the labour party isconsideriung a legal challenge on the leaflet.
but i would say political leaflets if youb remain a neutral do have some of this within them
all parties including the tories/labour
may the 5th the administration will change and then we can get on with life
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
not really worth a legal challenge, as keith says most party stuff has some disinformation in them.
seen a lot worse than that in dover.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
actully it would be nice to see a tory leaflet.
howard you must hit the jackpot getting a tory leaflet.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
rather a let down brian, was of the same quality of the in touch fairy tales.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 6,025
Rather selective there Howard .The leaflet I delivered was much more informative plus it had a picture of two lovely Conservative ladies
I enjoyed my canvassing in Alkham and deliveries in Ewell Minnis ..I finished up this evening canvassing in River .A couple of streets to go and all of River has been Canvassed and most of Alkham and all of Ewell Minnis .
Not bad for a a couple of ladies
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Tough cookies out here ..
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
in which way selective susan?
i did the same to the reds and you have been rather quiet on the barriers issue.
can only mean election time.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
jan;
im looking through the members who may be seen as left wing
at a touch i think marek an myself could be classed left wing but i scratch my head for any others.
where as there is a long list of right wing conservative posters
which is no great problem, but should be recognised as such.
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
DT1 is a tad left of centre. So is PaulB. Howard keeps me guessing. John G is one of the Labour party faithful. Mark Robson is an anti-Tory sniper. Melissa and her hubby have both posted leftish views. So Keith and Marek are in good company.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
the only ones in all that bunch peter who are anywhere near lefty is maybe DT1 just because your in the labour party doesnt mean youra lefty.
john will openly admit, hes neither heavily political, nor left wing.
so as i say could stretch to 3 lefty's
now looking on the right, look at that long list
far more than 3
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
A pretty fair reflection of the Dover electorate then......
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
glad you finally agree peter
that the forum is over loaded with conservative right wing posters
outnumbering the 3 labour ones
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
- Posts: 10,247
Keith. Someone can be right on social issues but more left of economic (or the other way round) so it is very difficult to quantify. That said I think there is an attitude of mind that can best determine a left/right spectrum but it is still not perfect.
Left = Big Government - The Labour Party has shown in government that they are proponents of that with high taxation, high spending, a tendancy always to regulate and legislate, to set centrally set targets and so on.
Right = Small Govenment - The Conservative Party has also shown that this is where its instincts are in government. Privatisations, right to buy, and big society being the latest small government catchphrase. They also instinctively want lower taxation and less red tape and work towards that not always as successfully as they would like and will supress the low tax instincts because of the firm belief in 'sound money and finances' when necessary as we have now.
Yes, as in the latter case you can always find examples in each Party where they have acted against base instincts, the Blair government did a certain amount of privatisation for instance and even Mrs T welded a big government approach over local government with rate capping. But overall they run true to type if you dig below the surface.
As for the LibDems - they are a weird lot and I think we can agree on that. Attracting protest votes they try to appeal to whoever gets fed up with either of the main parties because of the tough decisions they make. They will pose as something different to each audience they speak to and now they have trapped themselves in government having to make those tough decisions so they get exposed for what they are. People who prefer to hide from the tough choices in elections have usually hidden away by voting for those cuddly LibDems to feel good about themselves but now they have no home and find their vote actually meant something and the poor dears are getting all pannicky looking for a new home.
So left of centre by way of political affiliation I would suggest: Labour: Green: LibDems (some exeptions)
Right of centre: Conservative: UKIP: Orange Book LibDems
Pariahs none of us want to be associated with - BNP. they have extreme left wing economics supported by thuggish views on race. Well perhaps they should have just their own category of thug then.
Overall I would say most posters are either non-political or 'left' but there remain probably more Conservative political activists posting than Labour activists.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,888
I think I better explain myself just for Keith and I am only talking about their political comments.
Left means left of centre and right means right of centre, both of which seemed fairly obvious to me.
Peter you forgot to add Brian and Alan to your list so that makes ten to the left, eleven if you count Howard who is more neutral.
Sue, Roger, Nigel, Barry and Paul W are five to the right, although I bet I forgot someone
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Vic and Alexander are not sure.
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I try to be neutral and polite but it is hard and getting even more difficult at times.
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