howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 January 2011
20:3988830kent county council have anounced that they will go ahead with the closures despite many public protestations.
they argue that with the growth in the future of demand for such services that these closures are vital.
locally cornfields in dover will close then reopen as sheltered accommodation with round the clock care and "shared services".
sampson court in deal, championed by charlie elphicke, will close full stop.
this will be very traumatic for the residents, some who have been there for over ten years.
Keith Sansum1
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13 January 2011
20:4288832yes, and although the kcc led council are pushing ahead
charlie boy in deal
and gordon in dover are still dissapointed at kcc not listerning to the public
gordon, and charlie on the same side on this fighting the closures
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 January 2011
20:5088836good to hear that politicos of different colours working together keith.
on the other issue of railings nigel and john are of a similar mind.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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13 January 2011
20:5488838not quite howard
john says dont remove them
nigel says yes they can
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 January 2011
21:3088845i read it differently keith, nigel was against most of the removals and sent his protests to the relevant cabinet member at maidstone.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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13 January 2011
21:3688848oh howard ok
maybe nigel can confirm
k
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Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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13 January 2011
22:1388854That is how I read it too Keith,I am not against all the barriers going but at selected places I see no problems,eg.York Street where I do see problems are out side Schools and where there are areas of people walking,eg Town Centre.
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
13 January 2011
22:2588855At the risk of being a devils advocate, I am not a fan of residential and nursing institutional care. I realise that is has a place and meets a real need and should be an proper option, but if (and it is a crucial if) the resources are re-directed, most people would prefer to be cared for at home, even if it was less robust. I know I would, and many people I know who have become vulnerable would choose the same. And there is a limit to how much we can govern by ballot for everything - sometimes the experts actually do know best..........
I'll get my coat.
Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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13 January 2011
22:4388857i agree with you Bern
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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13 January 2011
23:1188859i tend to agree with our susan and bern on this issue. when my time draws to a close i would like to be in my own bed with health care specialists visiting now and then rather than stuck in some impersonal unit with the useless night nursing staff indulging in verbal foreplay with the paramedics keeping me awake.
Jan Higgins
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14 January 2011
10:4288881I agree with the above posts, home is best.
Having said that there must be places where those being cared for can go to give the main carer a break.
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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14 January 2011
10:5088883Yes there are Jan .
The Coleman Trust provides a placement in a residential/nursing home .Im sure it is free .
When the consultation took place it was found there was adequate placements in the private sector .
The people who have been able to live in the homes due for closure mainly come from the social sector .Trying not to upset here ,but let us say many of the people I represent have to go into the Private Sector .
The cost to run these KCC homes was very high .
14 January 2011
11:3188893It's all a question of funding streams: if the Health and Social Services were not so divided and precious about their budgets the actual needs of real people might have a chance of being met.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
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14 January 2011
13:4088912Sue, I know there are placements now but with more people in the community will there be enough placements in the future, as I said I am all in favour of people staying in their own homes.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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14 January 2011
15:3988924jan h
I think everyone supports independent living, for some i'm sure this would be possible, but for many this would not be possible as the person would need specialist care, or even just ordinary care.
for many they will need the aditional support.
this is going to store up short and long term problems
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Sue Nicholas- Location: river
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14 January 2011
15:4988927Keith as I stated the Private Sector had plenty of bed spaces .That was looked into .The figures are available
The Extra care facilty replacing Cornfield will be larger .
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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14 January 2011
15:5488928Sue
did read your posting, but as your aware KCC are usually well run with dedicated staff,
moving into the private does not always have the same.
some charge high rates, and at same time provide litte.
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Guest 675- Registered: 30 Jun 2008
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14 January 2011
15:5588929While I do agree that home care is desirable in most cases the practice of care provision does not always live up to it. I know from my own family of 'carers' turning up at 11:30 to prepare a breakfast only to be followed at 12 by 'meals on wheels' with lunch. As the person in question is diabetic this is obviously far from helpful.
There is also the fact that very often the persons desire for 'independence' can often far exceed their ability to cope with it. In such cases residence in a good care home can actually give them more real independence by giving them the freedom to live as they please without having their days dominated by concerns as to when their meals will arrive, getting out to pay bills, worrying about accidents and a whole range of other worries that always crop up.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong.
Richard Armour
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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14 January 2011
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14 January 2011
18:4988954Absolutely, which is why there need to be those 24 hour services. But there are many people who could manage at home with the right support, but are not offered or provided with it. Residential and nursing care provision will always be needed by a few people - but community care and support - IF it is provided and managed properly can work, and can work well. The problems arise when it is not "policed" or funded properly. There are very few excuses for carers turning up in such a haphazard way, and it should not be tolerated by the provider .