Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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I suppose he could always fly himself home at the end of the course.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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There are many calls upon the public purse that, on the face of it, appear unreasonable to the passengers on the average 'Clapham Omnibus'; car-usage allowance for the not-so-local councillors, winter fuel allowances for those resident in Spain etc. etc.
There are many instances too of Criminal Damage, committed by the young, who go on to get a slap on the wrist and are subject to an order to pay some derisory amount by way of compensation. On such occasions there is often a cry for the parents to be forced to foot whatever bill in full and PDQ.
What have either of these young people done that was in any way wrong?
The Council is, quite rightly, In Loco Parentis. Who is to pay for the further education of these two, in the circumstance that State Aid is unavailable, if not the 'parents'?
Whoever is at fault here, if fault there is, it cannot be these two young people, can it? The Judge too, can only act as the law allows.
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Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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They don't appear to have done anything wrong, but why should he be funded for flying lessons rather than given an apprenticeship as a plumber or something similar. I'm sure there are plenty of young Geordies who would have jumped at the chance of flying lessons had they been given the chance.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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2. 4 million unemployed - if all are given 10 grands worth of flying lessons then it would add up to erm a large sum of money.
Jan Higgins
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Barrie Nicoll wrote:They don't appear to have done anything wrong, but why should he be funded for flying lessons rather than given an apprenticeship as a plumber or something similar. I'm sure there are plenty of young Geordies who would have jumped at the chance of flying lessons had they been given the chance.
Having just read the article (thanks Howard) that was my thought Barrie, in theory this judgement means that ALL youngsters in council care can apply for flying lessons. I thought councils were supposed to be hard up something just does not seem to add up with this story.
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I know that we are not going to get anywhere with all of this, I am just saying that so that you all know that I know...
"Hey you! Employer 'X', cop yer whack for this young person with no interest in your business...he's to be your new apprentice."
If all the unemployed were given ten grand a piece to spend as they wished, there would be no shortage of callers upon their spending, and who knows, but this might lead to a heightening of demand for goods, which in turn could lead to an increased demand for labour, higher wages...growth.
Or it could lead to an increased danger to those living in high-rise accommodation, and a warning for them not to open their windows, for fear that a light aircraft may be compromised, now that the air is thick with them.
Come to think about it. 2.4 million times ten grand...might add up to much the same money that was printed to bail-out the banks...that has worked out so well for all of us, has it not?
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Minister tried to shift blame to top aide for welfare fiasco
Iain Duncan Smith tried to shift the blame for a £140 million waste of taxpayers' money on to his senior civil servant by
attempting to influence an MPs' report, The Times understands. The Work and Pensions Secretary faces criticism today
in a scathing report from the Public Accounts Committee which says that the money was squandered on the Universal
Credit welfare programme. The committee accused the Government of "alarmingly weak" management. Mr Duncan
Smith and members of his parliamentary team are understood to have approached at least three Tory MPs on the cross-
party committee to ask them to ensure that Robert Devereux, Permanent Secretary at the Department for Work and....
Full story The Times....
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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reading between the lines it appears that the top civil servants don't actually understand the new system.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24839358Keith Sansum1
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Maybe IDS doesn't
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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IDS.....yet again...................
Welfare controversy: Subject to the bedroom tax - even if the room is used for a kidney dialysis machine
Plight of MP's brother raises questions about fairness of controversial welfare reform
It has been 30 years since Rivers Pound moved into his specially adapted council flat in Earl's Court, west London. The 55-year-old has been on and off dialysis since his first kidney failure at 19, and his flat was one of three in the block designed with its own dialysis room, part of a council scheme to house residents with renal problems.
Then, in April, the Coalition introduced its welfare reforms and everything changed. Although Rivers's body was rejecting a third transplanted kidney, he was not on dialysis at that moment and so the room that housed his equipment was deemed surplus to requirements.
According to the inflexible rules of the under-occupancy policy known as the "bedroom tax", he had to find another £120 a month for this "spare" room - or find a new home.
Too proud to accept charity, the musician decided to sell his only possession of value: a piano worth £1,500. He hoped it would cover the extra rent until he was on dialysis again, and thus free from the charge.
Growing up as one of seven children, Rivers Pound is used to being self-sufficient. As a result he didn't want to ask his siblings for help - even though his brother is an MP. Yet his story so encapsulated the new uncompromising welfare system introduced by the Department for Work and Pensions that last week Rivers' elder brother Stephen - the shadow minister for Northern Ireland - felt compelled to raise it in Parliament.
Without at first revealing the family connection, the MP said: "There is a young man who lives in Earl's Court who is in total renal failure. May I tell you that this man's spare bedroom is a dialysis unit. He has been told that he now has to pay the bedroom tax."
It was only in his concluding remarks that Stephen Pound revealed his personal interest, saying his brother faced losing his home "for being a kidney patient".
Full story Independent.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Surely the council would be aware of this
and if they set it up
they got that one wrong
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Top 10 member of the Buffoon list IDS tries to blame others for his cock-up.....exposed......
Top mandarin hits back at Iain Duncan Smith over universal credit smears
Sir Jeremy personally intervenes to stop Work and Pensions Secretary blaming Robert Devereux for universal credit programme debacle
Britain's most senior civil servant intervened with David Cameron to help save the career of a permanent secretary who felt he was being "hounded out" of office by his political masters, The Independent has learnt.
Sir Jeremy Heywood told the Prime Minister that, as the de facto head of the civil service, he was concerned about the "concerted political briefing campaign" against Robert Devereux over failures in the Government's universal credit programme.
He is understood to have made clear that he did not believe Mr Devereux should be singled out for blame for the project and that responsibility also lay with Iain Duncan Smith, the Work and Pensions Secretary. He is also said to have pointed out that the public undermining a permanent secretary was harming civil service morale and was unfair because, as a government official, Mr Devereux was unable to defend himself.
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well divides opening up everywhere
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Gove finally takes his place............
Pressure on Government as flagship free school forced to close after inspectors find pupils 'in danger of leaving without being able to read and write properly'
Funding withdrawn for Discovery New School in Crawley after it failed to show evidence it could improve
The Government has been forced to close one of its flagship free schools after inspectors warned that "too many pupils are in danger of leaving the school without being able to read and write properly."
Schools Minister Lord Nash, who is responsible for academies and free schools, announced he was withdrawing funding from the Discovery New School in Crawley, West Sussex, after it had failed to show sufficient evidence it could improve following the inspection.
He gave governors 10 days to come up with an action plan to turn the school round at the end of November but in a letter to the school yesterday said there had been "little or no improvement" in standards since the first inspection.
"I recognise that my decision to terminate the FA [funding agreement] is likely to be disappointing for pupils, parents and all those involved with the school but I will not allowing a failing school to continue with no clear, workable plan to improve rapidly," he added.
"It is not in the best interests of pupils to remain in an adequate school."
The decision comes at the end of a week of growing pressure on Education Secretary Michael Gove over his free schools programme. On Wednesday, public spending watchdogs the National Audit Office warned it was now costing - at £6.6million per school - twice the Government's original estimate to set up the schools. In addition, half the areas in the country with the greatest need for extra primary school places had not had a single application for a new school.
Labour's Shadow Education Secretary Tristram Hunt said last night: "The closure of this free school is yet another shocking example of why David Cameron's flagship schools policy is failing."
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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it was one of his flag ships
again the tories end up failing,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Big Eric becomes ``Big Brother``and a dangerous Buffoon............
Councils could be banned from using 'bedroom tax' phrase in move to veto contentious language
Communities Secretary Eric Pickles could be given power to put a blue pencil through any language with which he disagrees, critics claim
Councils could be banned from using the phrase "bedroom tax" under moves to give Eric Pickles, the Communities Secretary, the power to veto contentious language in local authority newsletters, leaflets and online publicity, critics claimed on Wednesday night.
Town halls joined forces with Labour to condemn plans to turn Mr Pickles into Whitehall's "censor-in-chief" by stopping them from criticising Government policy.
They protested that the new powers could also prevent Tory councils from attacking the Coalition's support for the HS2 rail link between London and Birmingham or from criticising any future decision to expand Heathrow airport.
Their anger centres on measures in the Local Audit and Accountability Bill, which is about to become law, to require council publications to comply with a new code of conduct. It is designed to prevent left-wing councils from using taxpayer-funded freesheets to convey critical messages.
But the moves, which could also apply to websites and Facebook pages, are so widely-drawn that they could give Mr Pickles the power to put a blue pencil through any language with which he disagrees, critics claimed.
The term "bedroom tax" could fall foul of the legislation, with councils obliged to use the phrase "spare room subsidy" to describe cuts to housing benefit to tenants in social housing who are deemed to have a spare room.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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how silly is that
bu with serious implications
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I would guess it would only be Labour controlled councils that term it as a bedroom-tax.
Right or wrong (and there's many parts of it I don't agree with), it is a reduction on the benefits and I believe that DDC make the smallest reduction in benefits.
Roger
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roger#
i presume your in favour of the bedroom tax then??
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Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Presume what you like Keith. As I said there are parts of it I really don't agree with.
Roger