howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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peter
it seems that you do not understand how democracy works.
in modern times it is about sound bites, advertisement hoardings at election times and headline grabbing.
incidentally your blue friends are making the public finances worse by the day, the deficit is ever widening.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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#37
It is not at all difficult to discern why those expensively educated would mistake the cash value of education with the worth of learning, and conclude thereby that they are more intelligent. [lb for £?.] As if the stating and repetition of their own view of themselves was of itself proof.
Still...all has been thought through. When the 50p rate is reduced all the way down to 45p. The ready excuse for the continued absence of growth is part and parcel of such a budgetary shift. In that it will simply not be (yet) enough.
We poor folk will be ever so grateful when GO gets this right. Not that we matter, we've never had it...So, good!
Howard, #41. How democracy works? Democracy has yet to be attempted, what we do have works well...for those who think it works well. Alas this proportion of the enfranchised public is getting smaller by the day.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Keith Sansum1
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oh dear peter
you are letting your guard down
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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So Howard - #41 - You are coming around to what I have been saying all along that we need deeper and faster cuts along with getting rid of the 50p rate and other growth measures so hated by Labour and LibDems. You cannot have it both ways, moaning about the deficit getting worse and cuts etc....
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# 38..........I concur...but who am I to have an opinion/view.....I am one of the fkn`s ( forumite know nuffinkers )
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Reg I always thought you were one of the fkn clever ones.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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At last peter the message is getting through lol
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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A budget set by the rich for the rich ?........................
Only a cabinet of millionaires could think that workers in poorer areas should be paid less...............fkn..............
Ross Miller
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Ah well Reg, whilst I sort of agree, I cannot see that the Labour Party would have done any different if it had been in power at this time. Frankly they are all as bad as each other.
At the end of the day we, the people, are at best a nuisance and at worst an irrelevance (or is it the other way round, anyway) to those in power. We are here only to provide them with a sense of legitimacy via the electoral process and frankly there is so little to choose between the manifesto promises of them that it really no longer matters.
"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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You have that right Ross, and they do not bother to hide it either. Saying that road-tolls are the right way to go then justifying this notion by saying "the last government were thinking along the same lines...", just about says it all.
Time to up-dater an old saw...
"Och aye, we're all 'farmed'! I tell ye, we're all farmed!"
Come to think of it the Doomsday Book was about farming if it was about anything at all.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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yes ross we need a more radical party
or someone who supports the poorer in our society rasther than playing up to the rich
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You do not support the poor through punishing the rich as Reg and Keith would want. The real world is very different to the dream world inhabited by the 'bash the rich' advocates.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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You don't need to punish the rich, just make them pay what they legally owe, stop rewarding them for poor performance and throw at least some of the cuts in their direction.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Pay what they legally owe, no problem there as anyone guilty of tax evasion should be prosecuted. Tax evasion is a crime and it is not only some rich people who are criminals in that respect, the same is true of everyone who takes cash-in-hand and those who aid and abet them and those who do not declare tips etc....
The real problem is to have a tax system organised in a way that it damages the economy and reduces the tax-take and that is what we have at the moment with a penal tax rate. Most of those suffering that penal and unjust tax rate need not do anything illegal not to pay it.
The problem here if course is not only with the 52p (yes, not 50p) tax raid on incomes over £150,000 though it is that which gets the most publicity, but the effective 62p tax raid on those earning over £100,000 as well and little is heard of that.
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Just for the sheer fun of it...
I wonder what would happen if wages were capped at, say, £50,000?
How much more money would we all (the vast majority anyway) save: on our weekly shop, luxury purchases and TV license etc. etc.?
[Now there's a thought to sustain me during the dog-walk.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Nothing at all and the Treasury would lose vast amounts of tax revenues, inward investment into the UK would dry up and talent would disappear abroad, unemployment would soar and massive public spending cuts would need to be initiated that are far, far deeper than anything I have ever suggested. Inflation would rise significantly and the government would have to default on debt, insurance companies going bust with pensioners losing their annuity income. That is only the start of the problem. Our children would inherit a bankrupt third world country.
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Our children are already bankrupt
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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67% want to keep 50p tax rate.......................65% of tories want to keep 50p tax rate.................
There is also a strong call to introduce a new general tax avoidance rule which will raise considerable revenue say
government sources...........it will be welcomed by those of us who are fed up with ``it`s not illegal,ignoring the
moralty`..
Tomorrows budget promises to accelerate all the forces that most divide us..................
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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The morality is about people paying only what is legally required and being free to utilise the legal avoidance measures - it is called freedom of the individual.
Opinion polls on the 50p rate are irrelevant - what is best for the economy is what is important. Ask those people a question whether they would prefer to get rid of the 50p tax rate or have an extra £500m a year spending cuts to make up the shortfall the 50p rate creates and you would get a very different answer.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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