Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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You are making some very good and true points there Bern. spot on.
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#39, Barry, for someone who has been involved in politics for so many years, you surprise me! All sides of the political spectrum are always at it.
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Doctors of the Faculty of Public Health warned yesterday that the risk of similar scandals would increase with the ``vast
increase in private provision``proposed under the NHS refoms.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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And they don't happen with the NHS, I suppose........#43
I am so irritated by the blinkers people seem to don whenever the NHS is mentioned. It does a good job in some areas and a dangerously bad one in others, it is flawed, out of date, has too many rubbish staff - that includes managers by the way before anyone gets on their hind legs and starts bleating about it being all the managers fault! - and needs a bloody good overhaul by people who aren't bogged down in sentiment.
Lets think of some NHS issues
Thalidomide
The hip replcements that are substandard and failing
MRSA
C DIF ( Maidstone General in particular )
K and C smear fiasco
Clifford Ayling
Ledwood ( I refuse to give him the title Dr )
Harold Shipman
HIV infection of heomphiliacs and people in need of growth hormone
etc etc etc
I have deliberatly chosen examples from across the timescale so there can be no accusations that these only occured since .... so and so was in power or since X reform happened .
It is only by lookinng at how these events where allowed to occur , becuase none of them where random, and clearly apportioning responsibility and where appropriate blame , not hiding behind Lessons have benn learned . Not being divereted by the smokescreen of the policital blame game that each party uses agaginst the other , that there is any chance of learning , and ensuring that the same mistakes or deliberate short cuts are not repeated .
An excellent post. We need to drop the blinkers if we are to improve.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Private Clinics refuse to provide free removal to their patients.They will charge £ 2,800.
They have rejected Lansley`s moral arguement.
There are a number of crowbars that can and should be used here - the medical staff have a professional obligation. The NHS will need to provide the treatment and scoop the costs back via the courts. this will, of course, do nothing to enhance the reputation of the private clinics - a seriously bad PR move which will probably far outweigh the cost savings.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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they have shot themselveds them in the foot over it, people will now think twice before paying for private work to be carried out.
There will always be eejits who want to swell themselves with manufactured goo, but this will make some people more careful about who they allow to slice and dice them.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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"manufactured goo" - lovely description !!
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Yes an interesting piece there Philip. Its a very miserable situation that these companies, whose adverts espouse a private world of health and luxury, but in reality behind the scenes.. they dont have a pot to piddle in. The look of luxury and wellbeing is nothing but a very thin veneer, an image.
The lessen here basically is that you should leave your body alone unless there is something wrong with it, then taking a medical chance is the only way to go, but the feeling from me is that if the NHS cant do it then dont so it. There are clearly no back-up resources in these private establishments if things go wrong.
Unfortunately these days, with the trend being that many young females are gobsacked with total delight following the careers of two-bit female Celebs, and you hardly ever find a female Celeb nowadays who isnt surgically enhanced...very surgically enhanced, then all these youngsters hooked on every aspect of Celebism will want to follow the path. The rewards are high and the talent required is low. Amy Childs, Katie Price, etc, the magazines near the checkout at the supermarket are packed with these people...selling an image of false boosoms, snaring a footballer, living in a mansion in Essex, paparazzi.....it all apears to be much better than working. There is now a series on TV following the life of big bosomed Amy Childs and the poor(!) thing hasnt got more than 30 words in her vocabulary.
However this non-hero is a big hit with the girls and many want to follow her path, many now want enhancements, its a very unfortunate trend..the lure of easy money and glamour.
My feeling is that a person should leave well enough alone unless there is a medical reason for it.
Keith Sansum1
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BERN;
Far be it for me to disagree with you, but your observations appear wide of the mark.
I think everyone agrees the NHS needs a good shake up from top to bottom.
but if we view this issue in a balanced way then the private companies(who are unregulated) have not come out of this well.
even leading private company leaders are calling for more regulation as these types of issues arise.
the better private companies are incensed there reputation is in tatters over unregulated other private companies.
even mr lansley himself isn't happy
let's put the issue of is it right for individuals to do it to one side for a minute
so let's maybe learn lessons from it all and get it right in the future
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Good old NHS comes to the rescue again.
Private Clinics do not stand up to the plate of their responsibilities.
What price Private Medicine?..............money does not deliver loyalty.
What will Lansley do with his Reform bill now ?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think as iv said before, we can see how things go wrong when this type of issue comes up.
if we accept the NHS needs a shake up then certainly the private sector in this case has a lot to answer for
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Who has ever said otherwise? I just become irritated when the private sector is characterised as the villain, when in fact there are huge swathes of excellence that, in my experience, are less common in the NHS.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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bern;
i appreciate you have had bad experiences of the NHS but it shows people are also now having the same issues over unregulated private companies
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the problem as i see it is more about iderology than health care.
when we read about the private company taking over a hospital up north, the company itself admitted that they had overstretched themselves and the likedly result was a drop in standards.