Boris Johnson to Ken Livingstone
- 3 April 2012 21:56163170Howard - You have strange memories of Livingstone's time at the GLC. The man was an extreme left winger who expressed support and sympathy for the IRA and other crackpot left wing causes. He and Derek Hatton were two of the worse types of local councillor imaginable. In that role he was not directly elected when on the GLC of course and it is impossible for you to claim that he was 'always in tune with an electorate'. He got the mayoral role when there was an anti-Conservative up-swell and not through any dubious personal merit.
- 3 April 2012 22:02163171our memories differ barry though i do agree about the crackpot causes.
there is no comparison between ken and hatton, two entirely different characters.
you refer to an anti blue upswell, that did not get him elected as he was an independent and the reds fielded frank dobson as their candidate.
i lived there through it all and livingstone struck a chord with all different people despite the press slaughtering him. - 3 April 2012 22:09163173They were both the same type of nut-case Howard. I followed events closely as that was the period in which I was on DDC and was taking a particular interest in all things local government. His old ways did follow him over the his period as elected mayor, a minor but telling example was the large subscription to the Morning Star communist newspaper being paid by London taxpayers for him and his cronies.
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3 April 2012 22:40163181coming out of all of this is the fact that the lib dem and another candidate were present when these 2 had silly childish comments in the lift.
it does little to get people to vote.
but boris is looking shaky after this outburstALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 4 April 2012 07:48163198As a person who has a vote for London Mayor i have a real dilemma.....
I like Boris as a person but generally cannot stand his policies.
I cannot stand Ken but generaly support his policies.
Choices, choices. - 4 April 2012 07:59163201Well Steve you have an opportunity to enhance you social circle by voting for Ken.
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4 April 2012 08:02163203or voting for one of the others.
- 4 April 2012 09:39163214i believe there are green and yellow candidates who might do well as a protest against the big two.
- 4 April 2012 11:03163221Quite right there Howard. I did have a look to see who all were in the race, but so far I have only come across this, which is another take on the balance between Bo-Jo and Red-Ken...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/dec/26/london-mayor-campaign-policy-pledgesIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - Keith Sansum1
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4 April 2012 18:38163301i think it will be close but ken will pip itALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 4 April 2012 18:44163302having read that link from tom i sympathise with people that have to decide who they want as mayor.
facts and figures abound from both of the main candidates and hotly disputed by each of them.
looks to me that londoners are lumbered with a choice of two egocentric people that are equally desperate for power. - 4 April 2012 19:15163305There's reportedly a four way debate among the main candidates on Newsnight tonight, Greens taking part but no UKIP so they'll be complaining.
Could be interesting if Boris really goes for Ken on his finanancial arrangements, which have been raised with HMRC and The Electoral Commission - http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/campaign/2012/03/follow-letter-hmrc-ken-livingstone.html?utm_campaign=tpa - 4 April 2012 19:16163306All that is not Bo-Jo or Ken...
http://londonist.com/2012/03/mayoral-elections-possible-candidates-who-arent-boris-or-ken.phpIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 4 April 2012 19:32163314'Crucial' Chris Dowling for the Monster Raving Loonies looks a winner! The link to their website brings up much hilarity but also the interesting fact that they are a political party that is actually solvent.
Nominations close on Friday, if we could raise £10,000 between us then Tom could stand as the Dover Forum candidate. - 4 April 2012 19:36163319I have no wish to stand...but...if called upon to serve...Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
- 4 April 2012 19:36163320not a good idea ray, tom would confuse everyone with his victory speech.
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4 April 2012 19:42163323monster raving loony party theres a good vote lolALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 4 April 2012 19:43163324You do know how to slap a chap with a silken glove Howard.
Not to worry though, most of the victory-speech I have prepared has been redacted. What with the cheers and the tears no-one will notice.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 5 April 2012 08:17163369I saw this mayoral event on Newsnight last night and Im afraid to say it was totally shambolic and basically incoherent. Jeremy Paxman chaired, but not well. JP is a famed interviewer but handling a debate is probably not his forte and his contributors talked incessantly over each other, interrupting at will...so nobody could finish a sentence.
The four taking part were Jenny Jones of the Greens. Boris Johnson Conservative Mayor, Ken Livingstone Labour former Mayor, and Brian Paddick one time high ranking police officer and now Liberal candidate.
Here are pictures of the two main protaganists. Boris and Ken...I do also have pictures of the other two just in case there is a huge unprecedented public outcry for their inclusion..
The programme was shambolic as I said, of little value to man or beast. Boris waffled on, Ken interrupted. Ken waffled on and Boris interrupted..but Boris of course never shuts up. The other two tried to get in edgeways..."Can I get a word in edgeways" said Brian Paddick but nobody was too bothered. The Green woman said a few things but nothing of note..so there we have it. All bewildering. All sorts of unconfirmed statistics were thrown into the air to make a case but as the viewer cannot confirm a mid air statistic it soon became totally pointless. You've reduced spending by 6% and Ive increased it by 11%..no I did it by 9% and you cut it by 3%..this kind of thing...while Paxman looked on with his arched brow in full quizzical mode.
In the end I was glad when it stopped as it was, in the common vernacular,
"doin my ed in!!"
The only statistic that seemed to emerge that was tangible was that Boris has reduced Police Officers by 2000 since coming to power and 650 backroom staff. Police officers therefore now have to do the job of backroom staff. Boris on the other hand claims there were 1,000 more officers on the beat, the emphasis being 'on the beat'...a statistic juggle by Boris there as he didnt deny there were overall less Police Officers.
A few other stragglers were given 60 seconds airtime each at the end of the show...these included the BNP and UKIP. UKIP did seem to be a coming party at one time but they have slid back a long way...bumbling along the bottom but with an occasional bubble that promises hope but a bubble that bursts every time.email: dover7@msn.com - 5 April 2012 08:21163371I saw this too, Paul and agree that nothing was gained from the debate - least of all credibility for politicians.
