howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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now there is nothing, someone told me today that bar ellie had closed, don't know how true that is.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
it was open yesterday howard,saw people in there.
Guest 667- Registered: 6 Apr 2008
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I went to Lloyds Bank this afternoon and never even noticed the screen had gone shows how much I will miss it, NOT.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Yes Harry it was only this morning I was siting there watching it,and a member of the public came up and said "what are you watching?I said the news on the big screen, the person said"They took it away on Tuesday.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
thanks for that brian.
i have always been surprised by the depth of feeling about the screen, to me everything has worked out fine, without we would not have got the olympic torch and now it has outlived its usefulness it is no more.
events took a long time to take off and initially they were badly handled but as ddc got their act together and learned by mistakes it became a boon to the town.
when the olympics were on seating and bean bags were put out and families used to go down there with their picnic stuff and have a good time watching the events during the school holiday.
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
strange how the story changed
divided opinion on how useful the screen was to be
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Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
- Posts: 8,664
It was a white elephant. Simples.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Howard, what good did the Olympic torch do for the town? Serious question.
Terry Nunn
- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 4,316
Press reports state that it was "free" yet I'd still like to know why the PCT gave £35k towards it. Did it do any health promotion?
Terry
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
philip
the thousands who thronged the town centre, all the surrounds and the seafront on a wet and windy evening are best placed to answer your question.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
The question is has there been any long term benefit to the people of Dover and surrounding areas to warrant the cost to tax payers.
My answer would be nothing that I have heard about, some family members had the feel good factor on the day but that is all.
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Guest 904- Registered: 21 Mar 2013
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PhilipP - you might want to talk to traders like Luigi at the Castle Street Chip Shop. The queues spread out across Castle Street and the area was packed.
Then again, I was in the press pit at the front of the seafront and several thousand youngsters were fairly pleased, judging by their screaming appreciation of the Rizzle Kicks.
The shame is, in common with a lot of other areas, that the momentum built up by the celebrations hasn't been carried forward. The event showed that a seafront concert could be organised successfully, so it would be good to see the DHB and DDC cooperating to bring further concerts to the seafront. Imagine the setting for Andre Rieu and his orchestra, or Ellie Goulding, or David Guetta - the options are endless....
What a positive PR exercise this would provide for DDC/DHB, and a poke in the eye to their detractors...
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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So the local chippy had a sugar hit for a few hours. Not exactly what some would consider sustained growth.
Guest 904- Registered: 21 Mar 2013
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I see you are another forumite that likes to whinge and moan from the sidelines Philip, is there anything in particular that you have done to improve Dover's lot? Or are you, like so many others on here, or "Dover for Dovorians", or any other of the multitude of Facebook, Twitter and Forum contributor's, doing absolutely bugger all to do something?
If you are doing something to improve Dover, good luck to you - if not, why not emerge from behind the keyboard and help put matters right?
It doesn't seem to matter whether you are DDC, DHB, DTC, Dover Town Team, WHPS, Dover Carnival, Dover Regatta or any of the countless other groups, you can't do right for doing wrong - the level of negativity in Dover at the moment is at an all time high and seems to be led by those who contribute nothing...
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
can't disagree with the above paul, looking at some of those facebook groups i wonder why the people who think dover is so awful don't simply move away.
those who shout the loudest know the least about who does what - many openly admit to not voting - should anyone be found to be doing anything positive for the town they get ridiculed.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
I think paul sometimes people do get frustrated as they see Dover decline
its healthy that people question it, rather than put up with it.
your right maybe about it being to negative
and wherever possible we should applaud the positives
We could start with a pure non political thread
Dover's great FA Cup win in Corby last Saturday
seeing them through to the second round
to play against high flying first division side MK Dons
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Guest 904- Registered: 21 Mar 2013
- Posts: 312
Indeed so Keith, and let's hope that they get some TV coverage as well.
Obviously I have to put up with Dave L's ranting more that you lot on here, but you can see why people like him get wound up. Just taking his example, he's down the Market at 6:00 on a Tuesday putting up stalls, listening to the Traders grumbling because Dover people aren't supporting the market, then doing a full day's work (well, putting in an appearance anyway) before returning to the Market to once again listening to the Traders grumble, before putting the stalls away. For the next week he then has to listen to all and sundry telling the Town Team how it should be done, without actually stepping up to the mark to contribute (
and that includes some from within the Town Team 
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Of course, Dave is not alone in this. His tale will be familiar to anyone that actually actively volunteers in Dover. It was exactly the same after the Community Regatta this year, the Carnival and the WHPS Open Days, to name just a few.
I guess my message is that the next time you go to say to someone
"what you need to do is..." either be prepared to back it up with actions, or else just say nothing at all.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,895
I am fed up with being told by someone who is obviously a lot younger than a lot of us on this forum, to get out there and do something if we make an adverse comment about anything, some of us are doing or have already done our bit for the area.
Out of the groups Paul mentions DDC, DTC and DHB usually deserve our criticism, I do not remember WHPS ever being moaned about with the others the remarks about them are 90% positive. Nowhere and nobody is perfect, it is only by pointing out the faults that things hopefully improve.
At the moment as a nation we have had to tighten our belts and go without some of the necessities as well as the luxuries of life so people are bound to complain more.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
yes jan that dose seem a problem,talk is cheap action comes at a cost but the cost is worth it.i have mentiond on this forum about the hanging gardens of dover,buddieah hanging from propertys around town.walk slowly from the market square up to hollis moters and look above eye leval.
Guest 904- Registered: 21 Mar 2013
- Posts: 312
Maybe if you emerged from your nice large closet Jan, you'd have more of an understanding.
I've done my 'bit' (and quite a 'bit' more) for the area since I moved here as a 17 year old in 1985, but I don't see that age is an issue to be honest. As an example, young Josh Watkins over at the EKLR is doing a wonderful job of doing something to improve the area's tourism whilst at the opposite end of the age spectrum, Roger Walkden still keeps plugging away to push things along.
No one that volunteers to do something appreciates comments on how they should spend their time and efforts, by someone that doesn't. However, if that someone offers help to back up their criticism, they're invariably welcomed.
I sense someone has a guilty conscience...
