Benefits tourism
- 7 January 2013 08:52208800time will tell if the action matches the rhetoric.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-leader-vows-to-crack-down-on-benefits-tourism-8440247.html - 7 January 2013 10:38208815There has to be a first time for everything, it just won't happen. The only people that will ever be targetted for any initiative by government are those of any ethnic background born and bred here.
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7 January 2013 17:00208835here we go again,eurosceptic dave and his ukip mates are at it again. - 7 January 2013 18:49208845think you will find that dave is a fanatical europhile brian, says his prayers in german before going to sleep.
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7 January 2013 19:22208846allways thought it was best french howard. - 7 January 2013 19:48208849That article was just full of clap-trap!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 7 January 2013 19:54208850OK, I'm sure the Tories will have something better to offer than this
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7 January 2013 22:53208868Its all talk to try to speak up to the mouse's right wing friends to try to stop them putting up someone better in a leadership electionALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 7 January 2013 23:42208874The article makes a general mistake:
"His attack on so-called "benefits tourism" came as the five-year-old quotas limiting the number of people from Bulgaria and Romania, which joined the EU in 2007, to work and live in Britain are set to expire. That could lead to thousands of workers from those two countries setting off to wealthier parts of Europe in search of jobs."
That is what T. Blair said referring to workers from the Eastern EU states that joined in 2004, that thousands would come. Instead of thousands, they were hundreds of thousands, becoming millions, counting just those who came to Britain, including those who have come and gone, and not counting those who went to other western countries in the EU.
So exactly the same mistake is now being made by D. Cameron. They would be hundreds of thousands from Bulgaria and Romania, eventually millions.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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8 January 2013 00:59208883An error by the mouseALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 8 January 2013 05:31208888Being members of the EU forces us to accept them; there is very little, if anything, we can do to stop it - other than leave the EU and in so doing, save a hell of a lot of money that could be spent on making people's lives better here.
Roger - Brian Dixon
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8 January 2013 05:53208890flipping heck roger,get over it.if your dave [pm] is in favor so should you.follow your leader and all that. - Ross Miller
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8 January 2013 06:29208894Disappointed that the Indie didnt point out the fallacy of all this - nice political soundbite, but an untruth as to qualify for benefits yo must demonstrate (even as an EU citizen) permanent residency which takes between 9 months and 3 years"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
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8 January 2013 07:21208899Roger
The mouse came into office saying he was going to sort all this out
when in fact he has made it worseALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - Keith Sansum1
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8 January 2013 07:21208900Roger
The mouse came into office saying he was going to sort all this out
when in fact he has made it worseALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS - 8 January 2013 18:47208999Ross: post 13
That is sheer fantasy!
Benefit entitlement to any EU citizen from 26 EU countries and to their extended family does not require any such time length, and is with immediate effect.
Please get your facts right on this and inform yourself properly!
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 8 January 2013 18:51209000alex
there is a probationary period but that would not deter an economic migrant who would take a minimum wage job, pay no tax but receive tax credits until such time as they qualify for the full out of work benefits. - Ross Miller
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8 January 2013 19:18209005Hey Alex meet mr pot mr kettle and mr black"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die today." - James Dean
"Being deeply loved by someone gives you strength,
While loving someone deeply gives you courage" - Laozi - 8 January 2013 19:18209006EU citizens:
EU nationals* have the right to live and work in this country. When they are working, they are entitled to claim any UK benefits that workers can claim: child benefit, child tax credit, working tax credit, housing benefit, council tax benefit.
EU nationals can claim Disability Living Allowance not by virtue of their EU status but because they are citizens of countries where the UK has reciprocal agreements covering disability payments - this includes all EU countries and also some non EU countries.
If they are not working and have paid enough NI contributions for long enough they will be entitled to various benefits: JSA (contributions based), State Pension, Pension Credit.
But if they are not working they do not necessarily have "the right to reside" in this country. They can live here, they will not be deported, but they are not entitled to the range of benefits that non-working UK nationals** are, such as Income Support and Employment Support Allowance.
However if they are not working but are looking for work, they are treated as a "worker" and they can claim Job Seekers Allowance
(income based), Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit. That doesnt mean that anyone can get a ticket here and straightaway claim JSA, you have to have been working here before. But if you lose your job, you can then claim JSA.
* actually the rules are more complicated and benefits are initially restricted for A8 nationals (Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia and Slovenia) and A2 nationals (Bulgaria and Romania). But after they have worked in this country for a continuous period of 12 months the rules applicable to other EU nationals apply
** or anyone who is a non UK national who has an immigration status that enables them to freely claim benefits eg most people with Indefinite Leave To Remain
Let me remind you that from next January 2014. 29 million of the poorest new EU citizens will have the rights to work and reside in the uk.
And they are packing there bags ready for the of .
This will especially affect the poorest in the UK, especially on jobs and services
The conservative and labour party, needs to be answering to the voters about there support of these policies, that they are both supporting . - Brian Dixon
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8 January 2013 19:56209008kieth,in retropespective,if all imigrants are removed evan those who where brought here from the west indies in the 50's this country would come to a stand still.hospitals,docters surgerys,london transport etc would cese to function.no corner shops,take aways etc.but hey do i need to carry on.thought not.