Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Welcome Barry & Bob.
Fresh inspiration and fresh views can only be good for the forum, I think this could get very interesting.
David.
You have used the word tribalism as a club before now but true tribalism is about people being loyal to their tribe( family), to their friends, to their country, or to any other social group, so what is wrong with that?
Miners were and still are, called "Militant" in a detrimental way.
However, the true "Militant Miner" was merely acting responsibly, as custodian of his colliery and his actions were not for personal gains but to protect his comrades, to protect future employees coming into his industry, often his own family and to protect the future of his colliery.
I am proud to be called tribal and militant and of course a miner, in their right context but please don't call me a
"political tribalist militant lefty". Because that I am certainly Not.
Not that you have called me that but others have.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 1033- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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Hiya Garyc. I think the use of the word 'tribal' is quite apt when people vote for their 'tribe' without really thinking, just because they feel they belong to it. The problem arises when you look at the three main tribes and find that their personnel and ethos are virtually interchangeable, and instead of having a left, a right and a bunch of wishy washies around the centre, you have a shower of ex public school boys who have never lived in the real world, and the old standards of 'socialism' and 'conservatism' have nearly vanished, leaving a bunch of career politicians in power, none of whom have a real political thought in their head. As for the word 'militant', I feel that it has been greatly misused, and should be used as a compliment for people who are willing to take action to stand up for what they believe in, whether left, right or centre. Like Clegg, a true militant who stood up for his principles on University fees...or perhaps not.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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have to agree with most of what you say baz, bland rules the day and individual principles are seen as extremist.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Hiya Barrie.
I am sure we will have some interesting posts to look forward to.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Keith Sansum1
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looking good with new contributors,,,,,,,,,
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Good morning Gary C.
First of all I have never called you a political tribalist militant leftie. Your point about tribalism is well made; when it comes to ancestral tribes I'd guess yours and mine are similar, my mums side of the family were all miners, I still have lots of family in Elvington. So from that point of view I will always defend my own.
However with politics its entirely different, a political party has to earn support and respect, there too many people that will blindly follow a blue or red rosette irrespective of what it stands for. Do you honestly believe that Blair, Mandelson etc have any interest in or knowledge of mining communities? On the blue side they vote for a party that supports gay marriage and closer integration with Europe, everything traditional tories are against.
I loathe both parties with equal measure for the way they ride roughshod over the electorate. The main reason people vote blue or red is to stop the others winning, what a shocking state of affairs.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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This is why voters need to ditch the old parties and vote in ukip
Get this country out of the undemocratic chains of EU membership,
Then rearrange parliament to work for all the British people not just for the rich and there friends
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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Good morning David L.
I clearly stated at the bottom of #41 that You did not call me that.
I think Tony Blair was a Tory infiltrator, very few politicians from all parties ever cared about the miners and I am now in another group that is being hammered to the brink of despair by this lot, that think it is right to slash respite care for the disabled, whilst allowing bankers to receive massive bonus's for bringing down their own banks and ripping off their customers.
But all is not lost, we have some good people working in our communities and for our communities and it is those that will shape our future for our communities, not politian's and not governments.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum"
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 46...Can we really blame our Mum and her brothers for our postings?.....surely it is up to numero uno.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Reg, are you the same person that was leader of DDC? It would appear a deluded, semi literate halfwit has hacked your account.
Gary, agree entirely with your post.
Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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David Little wrote:Reg, are you the same person that was leader of DDC? It would appear a deluded, semi literate halfwit has hacked your account.
Gary, agree entirely with your post.
How did you manage that then? Not my usual style of posting but ...when in Rome.
I'm sure you are all very nice people with bad or incomplete memories so I'll just keep looking and learning.
Do nothing and nothing happens.
Guest 756- Registered: 6 Jun 2012
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Please attack the politics and not the person. Our parents and environment will play a part in our voting habits, either in a positive or negative way. Some people hate the doctorine they are subjected to and kick back, others embrace the need for change, many feel opressed and will continue the ongoing battle for a particular parties ethos.
We all have a choice, thank goodness we live in a democracy which gives us the right to vote.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Quite right Lesley,
We have seen once people took the route of another new party(UKIP) how they are no different to the main 3
showed that on KCC on allowances how they lied
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