Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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20 banks being investigated, £Trillion's made in systematic fraud.
More revelations to come out tomorrow.
Cut all fraud, not just benefit fraud.
And cut the £million pound bonus that the French boss has just got for reeking havoc and misery on our legal disabled sufferers.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that must be atos their reputation precedes them.
no wonder they get government contracts.
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The lords! Barry
Keith Sansum1
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quite a good few starters
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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don't mention starters keith or brian will turn this into another epicurean thread.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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just hope at some point our barryw
will recognise we have issues with top earners
as well as those not so well off
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Brian Dixon
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prawn cocktail please howard with a slice of melon on the side.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I still see nothing, not a single thing, that will close the black hole.
You people really have no idea at all of the scale of the mess we are in and the massive gulf of a deficit to be bridged.
The fact is you do not have any alternative.
You just waffle and pose all self-righteous about how terrible the cuts are and have no ideas at all what can be done to solve the problem. Then, guess what - in a few years time you will go and vote again for the same idiots and same kind of spendthrift idiotic policies that got us into the mess in the first place.
Now matter what you say, 1 plus 1 will always make 2, never three. Get real you lot. I have said it before, there is no painless way out of this mess.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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i would sugest a few lorry loads of ready mix concrete pourd down the black hole.
Guest 671- Registered: 4 May 2008
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And you BarryW will go and vote for the greedy incompetant idiots, that are making a mess of our country now.
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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As far as governments go Gary, the big difference is that I start from the premise that they are all incompetent and therefore support the party that wants to tax, spend and interfere less so there is not as much for them to be incompetent about.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
re; 88
we do actually know the mess we are in, we know who caused it and who is now making it worse.
despite cuts that affect low and middle income workers the deficit gets ever wider.
the truth is the deficit can never be closed and eventually we will default and start over again together with many other western european countries.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Howard - of course the deficit can be closed, it has to be closed and the current account moved into a positive.
Do you really think default is an answer? Your are retired, are you receiving a pension from an insurance company or a scheme pension perhaps? If the government defaults can you tell me how much you would be happy for your pension to drop by? You might even in an extreme case lose all of it. That is what would happen. If the government tries to print its way out and inflate the deficit away then the same thing happens, just in a different way, the value of your pension will drop through lower purchasing power. Those of us in work though will at least be OK with that one, those who suffer most will be you and other pensioners so are you happy with that alternative?
I said that there is not an easy way out, there is no painless cure at all. The best approaches to adopt are cures that reaps the best medium to long term benefits and the expense of the short term. That is where we have to accept that the government has been spending far too much far too long and cuts to that spending must be made. These cuts need to be deeper and quicker to get the pain out of the way sooner and to lift some of the burden off the private sector so we can get recovery and growth.
I am appalled that we are in the position we are in and our government must learn the lesson from it and never set about insane spending sprees again and balance the current account in future growth phases.
We have been living above our means for years to a large part represented by a benefit culture that paid out benefits to households with an income as high as £50,000 - that is why we have this problem.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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barry
you have ben in politics long enough to know that people vote mostly with their pockets.
the last time a lot of people voted for the austerity measures as they were told the deficit would be ckeared in 5 years.
we all now know that it is more like 15 years with pain all along the way and for some destitution.
in 2015 people will vote in a government that offers less pain, we can be asssured that at the hustings all parties will have to bribe us to vote for them.
nett result - an ever wider deficit.
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# 94..Reality...
# 93...Cherrypicking,Scaremongering,cheap,...gobbledegook...
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Truth and reality - that is something that you cannot recognise Reg and why is everything that you lack the capacity or willingness to understand just gobbledegook to you.
Howard - at the end of the day, political posturing aside, the result is the same, cuts are needed and must be done with the only argument being what is to be cut and how long drawn out the pain is.
I want it all done quicker - so we and the economy can move on.
All of your wishful thinking cannot change the laws of mathematics.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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not about wishful thinking or laws of mathematics barry.
large swathes of europe including this country are grinding to a halt, rising unemployment, no hope or prospects for youngsters starting out - all leads to social unrest.
once the first country defaults the rest(including us) will follow suit, terrible consequences but that is how it will pan out.
we have seen how mr hollande got elected by promising all sorts of "nice" things to his people, just watch dave and ed handing round bags of sweets in april 2015.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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No Howard, those countries that do not default will gain trust and investment at the expense of those that do. What you are saying will cause far more misery and pain than the cuts over a longer term and it is the elderly and defenceless who will suffer most. Better to get on with cutting the burden of public spending.
All the problems of Europe and the UK are caused by irresponsible government spending made worse in the Eurozone by being locked into a crazy currency experiment.
I read a lot of complaints but I suggest that instead of that people should get to grips with what is really needed to solve the problem at least domestically and in that way our businesses will be in a better position to exploit the recovery in Europe when the Euro falls apart and a recovery starts.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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howard;
you are now in the position of recognising barryw has a view
that view he will keep no matter we reach 4 million unemployed
no matter we cause civil unrest
no matter we destroy people
etc etc
buy hey
barryw is right
isn't he???
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Still not willing to admit that there is not a painless way out of Labour's big government mess then Keith. I am right, I speak on the basis of economic need not political convenience and you have no idea at all about any alternative, even fantasy ones.