howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Keith Sansum1
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and many scientists will tell you bovine tb is not created by badgers but could be domestic animals
so all this killing of innocent badgers could be for nothing
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DT1- Location: Dover
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I have to admit to not liking badgers since having had one in between my 'inner and outer' tent whilst camping in Farthingloe (Bluebell) woods, as a teenager. Up until that point I had always thought that they wore glasses and read books...you lied to me Kenneth Grahame!
Perhaps we should assign the fox hunting elite to this task? At least they would find some ineffective way of 'wiping out' this verminous threat...whilst at the same time creating an amusing dress code to suit.
I suggest Laura Ashley dresses, with jodhpurs, cowboy boots and Viking helmets. 'Horse and Hound' would love it, rural jobs would thrive and this 'countryside threat' would be annually reduced by 5 per 60 participants (excluding dogs).
All hunt 'calls' could be played on ukuleles to the melody of Jerusalem.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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maybe i am getting cynical in my dotage darren, but i suspect there was just a hint of sarcasm in your post.
hope that does not offend you.
DT1- Location: Dover
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You would never offend me Howard, on our occasional meetings, I would say that you aren't like that!
Some things just make me laugh. And when I think of these countryside reactions, I just think of literary references and class absurdities...as a 'townie' of course!
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We must have seen about 6 dead ones on our local roads recently too!
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DT1- Location: Dover
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Fox hunters?
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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funny isnt it
badgers is what started me off campaigning and getting into politics
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Brian Dixon
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cars darren cars.
I'm sorry DTI but the image of you with a badger jammed in your sleeping bag is one of the funniest things I have ever read. I hope the emotional and physical scars eventually fade. For both you and the badger. Thank you for cheering up my Monday morning
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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let's hope in years to come when there are few badgers left and close to fading altogether that we dont decide it was all a mistake.
Funny this i started out trying to protect badgers some 26 years ago and under all shades of govt campaigned/lobbied/fell out with many different shades and still do so
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Forgive me for these observations which may seem to show my naivety:
1. The word bovine refers to cattle not badgers. Bovine TB is therefore a disease of cattle not badgers.
2. A vaccine is available for the disease.
3. Even if badgers do carry the disease, if a vaccination programme (of cattle, not badgers) were started now, it would eliminate the disease in cattle within one generation (3 years for beef, 7 for dairy cattle).
4. Culling badgers will reduce the threat of transmission but not eliminate it.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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careful peter or we will agree to much
lol
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I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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# 11.....many hope....and some dread....this will rekindle your return to active politics........because this ill-conceived
policy will according to the `experts` spit up the setts and spread the `potential`disease wider.
Caroline Spelman...of selling our forests to the timber industry fame..............may now listen to the `experts`who say
the governments `knee jerk` policy will make the problem worse.
Yet another `U` turn is on the cards.......but you never know with confirmed `buffoon` Spelman..........
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I remain unconvinced by the threat of Bovine TB. Having heard about the absence of the disease amongst free range herds and how, by genetic engineering to produce greater mild/meat yields, we are producing animals that have suppressed immune systems I think there is probably need for greater debate and some honesty and openness in leadership.
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I entirely agree with Mark. Factory farming, et al. produces stock with weaker immunity.
And the farmers do not want to go to the expense of vaccination ??
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Perhaps Darren, this is why Broc (Badger) is present in so many place names in England, as a warning to campers?
I thought I would have a look to see how many place names there are for 'sickly-cow' etc., but instead I found this...
http://www.ourwalks.moonfruit.com/#/kent-place-names/4510667164
Which has this...
Dover, first recorded as Dubris in the 4th century, takes its name from a stream here, now called the Dour, an ancient Celtic name which meant simply 'the waters'.
As well as news (to me) that there is a Dunkirk in Kent. Apparently the name means 'law-less' and there were more examples of same at one time.
We, in the UK, will not vaccinate against this or that (F&M,TB etc.), but we simply must have GM?
"A Nation divided on it's (supermarket) shelf."?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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On the place-names website you quoted above:
"This section is dedictated to giving visitors an incite as to what the names of the kent villages and towns really mean."
oh dear !! And what does he mean with incite ??
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