Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Again I do not agree they are doing the right thing stay and fight back winning a battle does not mean you will win the war,as we see in history.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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First things first.
They have a new Chairman ,George Jenkins , who knows Ports, having a been a director at Medway Ports. He also has a track record of dealing with difficult public sector bodies, East Kent Hospitals, Maidstone Hospital & certain London groupings. He knows how to deal with Ministers!!
Next there is at least one Board vacancy to fill now Roger Mountford has gone, maybe more depending on lengths of appointments; so changes at Board level.
Would suggest this becomes first priority before any new direction is identified.
Watty
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr Watkins I think you know that I could be right that the D.H.B. will now keep fighting to stop the port going in anyother way and that they will try to keep the port a Royal one.I hope that will happen,for what it is worth I will write to them telling them just that.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Vic is right, the DfT have not decided that DHB must go.
DHB can make other proposals except another privatisation bid.
The current ongoing rhetoric about "Bob Goldfinger shoulld go" is embarrassing, because I don't know the man personally but think his name is Bob Goldfield.
It would be embarrassing to make a public statement and by mistake pronounce his name wrong.
All the talk about "they will be at it again...and again... and again... trying to privatise the Port"... "they want to sell our White Cliffs to the French" ....... "Bob Goldfinger is only looking for a golden handshake"...... is poor and misleading rhetoric, and one would have thought that the DfT decision, or rather, the Decision Minister's decision, would have put an end to all this.
We should now be looking at how the Community can have access to regeneration revenues from the Port.
And the DPPT proposals are currently as valid as any others, unless specifically stated otherwise by the DfT.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Alex your second paragraph. I 'll write it for the last time. You are wrong.
Watty
Brian Dixon
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paulw,would you care to join the "i give up on this thread club,free entry."
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Dovers port is a Royal port and is not for sell to anyone and we should all try and safe it by keeping it in the Royal Charter.and that the port should carry on being run by a D,H,B, that also supports the same.
Guest 1694- Registered: 24 Feb 2016
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Hi Paul, there are indeed several NEDs whose time is up between now and May. There will be quite a few changes over the coming months.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i thought the charter was just a ceremonial thing.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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In my representation, Howard, I made a point of writing "original charter and successive amendments", just to keep the I's dotted and the T's crossed.
Now let us consider what the other options may be that the Government has available.
Let's suppose they decided to separate Western Docks from Eastern Docks, declare it a separate port structure, and privatise only the Western Docks. Could this be one of the options?
Hopefully not, but who knows?
Keith Sansum1
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Now then, we are in the position of waiting to see who will make the next move.
Alexander, the last thing we want is the local authority having any mandate in the running of the port.
To be fair to some of the peoples port reps, they have not said DHB board would disappear should the peoples port win in the end, also the peoples port rep(some) have said they may if they win a future bid even employ some of the present DHB board members.
ALL POSTS ARE MY OWN PERSONAL VIEWS
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, how would DHB function side by side with DPPT? Two chefs running the kitchen?
I always thought the latter wanted to replace the former.
Adding to that, Keith, I wouldn't want to see Charlie Elphicke having any mandate to run the Port as MP, that would be the total politicisation of the Port. Just imagine, Charlie deciding where local regeneration would be spent and where not!
And making decisions on T2 and on the running of Eastern Docks.
I'm surprised Red Claire fell for it too. Could you imagine the next General Election, with both candidates mud slinging each other as to who would govern better the Port and local regeneration.
Keithy, leave local regeneration to the local Councils, please!
We elect councillors for this! We can elect whom we want, and can also stand for election as councillors.
And leave the MP to do his job in Parliament.
The MP's job is not to run the Port or to make decisions on monies destined for local administration and regeneration.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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As I see it and it is very sad,that it has nothing to do with which plan is good or bad.
The D.H.B. could not win on this one,because it was about voting in the next G/E,the blues know Dover could go to the reds next time because they got in with so few votes and going the D,H,B,way could have seen them giving away the seat at Dover. So now they are looking at, will going the Mr Wiggins way save the Dover seat or will keeping it a Royal Port will.And they do not know which way to turn with only 5ooo turning out with the vote over the port.
They will sit on this one to see what happens in the UK and Dover over the next year before doing anything at the port. My feeling for what it is worth they will keep the port as it is today,and I hope they do.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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yes vic we know,you was one of the 5000,wasnt you.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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These latest posts have a lot to do with the future and whether it be politicians or not that is the question;
Alexander;
It's my firm view that local councils who are cash strapped are not the ideal people to run the port, and maybe be consulted
but realy they show they are not the best placed people to take on such a venture.
Whether or not Charlie(and/or claire) take up the challenge is realy in there court, and I have no problem with them both
being involved as they would be people with a bit of clout that could maybe even help.
With regard to the DHB I fully understand your twisting my words alexander, let me try to explain again
If the peoples port proposals were to win through(thats if)
some members of the peoples port have said they would not have a problem EMPLOYING some of the present
DHB board members, i don't see a problem with that, if some have the expertese why not employ them?
They would be employee's of the peoples port.
It's all up in the air at the moment until a new proposal is on the table
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, I don't know how many times I've written that in my representations to DfT, I've always suggested DHB should continue to run the Port. Can you understand this in plain English?
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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alex,hows this for plane english,old ground = old hat.running and re running over things gets you know where,apart from being tiresome.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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if dppt gain control of the port and employ certain current dhb staff it would not be a conflict of interest just common sense to keep in house expertise.
nothing much changed for P and O staff and crew members when dubai ports bought them out.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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But would the Government and DHB agree to a takeover in which 100% borrowed money is being used, as DPPT propose?
Has the Government said DHB will be disbanded and replaced?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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no decision has been made alex, my understanding is that should dppt wrest control but run it as a franchise operation they would have to abide by competition rules and any eu legislation.
a lot to play for yet.