Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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"pessen sie auf" always made us laugh at school, so did "gute fahrt".
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Alright!
This is the proposed case: Barry is looking to employ someone. He needs someone with basic computer skills and who is knowledgeable in English.
Barry, a man enters your office, he has tatoos on both arms, but he is a normal looking fellow.
You ask him his most recent work experience, and he tells you he has been made redundant six months ago, but that the Jobcentre referred him to Skills Training, who got him on to an IT skills course which he passed.
He passes you the qualifications, but you don't like the tatoos on the arm. He's looking at you, and his arm is out-stretched to you, you're the first person he's applied to for a job since passing his exams. He's 25, a young man.
You turn him down for no apparent reason that HE can understand. His confidence is gone!
He leaves your office a sad man, mumbling something about injustice, because he can't understand why you turned him down for any reason that he can grasp.
You shake your head, such people you don't want working in your office. You then see that a small sheet of paper had slipped from among his documents, so you want to get up and give it to him before he disappears from the road in front of your office, as that sheet of paper is part of his work-seeking experience.
In fact he didn't get the chance to go any further in explaining his previous work experience, as you already turned him down.
You look at the sheet a second, and suddenly read:
...has been a soldier in the British Army, served in Afghanistan, returned home in January 2011, was made redundant in March 2011 ...
Would you go after him and ask him back?
Many British soldiers wear tatoos, Barry, many are being laid off, many have gone to Afghanistan.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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from the indepenedent this morning seems like i.d.s is not getting any support from business leaders.
Iain Duncan Smith came under fire from business leaders and lawyers yesterday for urging employers to give jobs to young Britons in preference to migrant workers.
The Work and Pensions Secretary delivered a provocative plea for companies to "give our young people a chance" rather than recruiting foreign-born staff. He also suggested that high levels of immigration were hampering attempts by the Government to tackle levels of long-term joblessness.
Critics suggested that companies risked discrimination claims if they acted on his words and he ignoredthat ministers are powerless to stop EU nationals, who constitute most migrant workers, heading to Britain.
David Frost, the director-general of the British Chambers of Commerce, was scathing about the qualities of some young British job-seekers. He said employers often found they lacked basic skills, qualifications and a strong work ethic. He added: "There is a stream of highly able Eastern European migrants who are able to fill those jobs. They are skilled, they speak good English and, more importantly, they want to work."
Neil Carberry, the CBI director for employment policy, said: "Employers should choose the best person for the job. The challenge is to ensure that more young Britons are in a position to be the best candidate."
Paul Griffin, the head of employment law at DBS Law, said firms could face discrimination claims if they favoured British candidates over foreigners entitled to work in this country. He added: "Iain Duncan Smith's speech, while on the surface seeming positive, is actually a crude political act to scapegoat migrant workers for a lack of jobs."
Mr Duncan Smith's comments, delivered in Madrid to a right-wing Spanish think-tank, carried echoes of Gordon Brown's ill-fated call in 2007 for "British jobs for British workers
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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In this case, we may be heading towards a constitutional crisis.
In fact, the Government's plans, that are to come into effect this year if I'm not mistaken, or possibly early next year, will empower the job-centres to dirtect unemployed people to work-placements.
These will be 30 hours a week for 1 month work-trials, in return for the same benefits.
If the person refuses, they will lose the benefits and receive nothing. The idea is, that after1 month, the employer chooses to accept that person on a permanent basis if satisfied.
But what happens if employers start refusing these people on the grounds that they work according to British standards but not as quickly as the "best of the best" that come from abroard?
To make a comparison, a normal soldier might be skilled, but an elite SAS man is usually more skilled. This doesn't make the other soldier object of derision, though.
So what happens if a British person is referred to a factory on a work-placement scheme, works normally, but not as fast as a super-trained EU national from the East with several years experience, and the employer says he doesn't want him?
Then surely we will become victims of the worst kind of Nazi-like teachings, which claimed that people from some races are by nature sub-human, lazy, unworthy, while tjhose from other races are by nature superior, as they work harder.
This is probably the reason why many employers in factories and on farms choose foreign elite workers in the first place, so any court-cases about discrimination might back-fire, and we could see ourselves making a court-case against employers who hold to Nazi-style discrimination against British people.
In my research of the topic, I am aware that there is a vocal minority in Britain that keeps coming out with the same ammunition: unemployed British people are lazy, have no decent work-ethic, get drunk, are ill....
We might be in for a spate of discrimination-related court-cases, methinks, because it is obvious that this insulting posture on the part of a vocal minority cannot go on for long.
I say, when someone comes out with these remarks about British people being lazy, drunk at work ...
put the accusing individual in a factory for one day, and see how THEY work. And may-be give them a copy of Mein Kampf written by A. Hitler so they know how it feels to be a part of the "wrong race", and where it can lead to!
In fact, these people end up believing their own drivel, and that is where it becomes dangerous.
Somehow, because we in Britain are in the same situation as a number of western European countries, the EU will unlikely start court-cases against the British Government, because the whole of western Europe could join us in expressing their most final disgust towards the way tens of millions of people belonging to the "western races" are being treated.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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it is true that someone can call the english/british all sorts of names and nothing will happen.
say the same about another nationality or race everyone is up in arms.
in the main business do employ immigrants for cheap labour in factories and fields, they also know that the taxpayer will pick up the cost of health, schooling and other costs for their dependants.
But if the businesses want to meet regs and standards they need to reflect. The "care" industry fails on a number of levels when it employs workers who do not appreciate or understand the UK culture and language but are expected to communicate with vulnerable people. The people who monitor and inspect fail us by not flagging this robustly enough for fear of the R word. (Insert own joke here - but R stands for racism.) The inspection bods tick boxes, mainly, and that does not support excellence.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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We will not interview job applicants with visible piercings or tattoos, except small earrings. I know from talking to jobcentre staff a while ago that there was a chap in an east Kent town who was looking for a customer facing retail job. He had SH1T tattooed on his forehead, on each hand the knuckles were tattooed with f*** and c*** respectively. He wondered why he never got past the first interview.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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That is why they have them done so they do not get jobs.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Then their benefits should be denied them.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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And what then?
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Then they have a problem - its not our concern. That character Peter refers to, if he really wants a job street sweeping, other cleaning of some kind or emptying the bins might be possible as long as he has no contact with the public.
Jan Higgins
- Location: Dover
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I agree with Vic on this one.
With the idiot Peter describes, would anyone employ him I would never employ anyone who had those words tattooed mainly because I would never feel entirely safe in his or even her company. I would think they were punch-up artists and possible druggies.
The jobcentre staff should have told him quite bluntly until the tattoos were removed he had no chance of getting employment anywhere. The removal to be paid for from his benefits, if he refused his benefits should stop.
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Guest 700- Registered: 11 Jun 2010
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I agree, Jan
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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You can say what you like about me,but I was always in work right up till the age of 67,then only stoped because of my legs,as you older once will know it was bad in the 1980s and when the railways work shops closed at Ashford,I left on the Friday and was working in Germany on the Monday at 0600hrs.
It is hard for the young ones today and the older ones, but I say look the part and keep trying trying and even more trying,When I was working in France I was a acting forman on the site,One day a young man came in our gate on a bike ,he was English ,he aske me for a job,"I said where have you just come from to get this job,"?
"I have come on my bike with my tent from Cornwall in the UK"
I told him say no more you have the job,"I am not skilled? I do not care, if you can get here from Cornwall on a old bike just for work you the man I am looking for. He stay with me till the end of the job still living in his tent.But he had his bike taken onenight outside the tent.But it was replaced.
There is something about rewarding effort and ingenuity, isn't there. If someone has the sense and the b***s to literally get on their bike for work - and not screw up their chances with offensive tattoos - then they surely deserve at least a chance? Nice one Vic.