Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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The Work and Pensions Secretary Iain Duncan Smith is to announce that British firms, which gave to foreign workers 90% of the 400,000 jobs created in the UK in the past year, should employ unemployed British people, and not rely on foreign labour.
This, he says, is to avoid that another generation be lost to dependency and hopelessness.
He says: "If government and business pull together on this, I believe we can finally start to give our young people a chance."
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#2
i doubt if businesses will take any notice, if cheap labour is available they will take it.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#3
And what about the older people ? Those in their 50's (not me now of course).
My younger brother - he's 57, is unable to get a job and has received absolutely no help for the job-centre where he lives (Hythe near Southampton).
It appears that people go to the Job-Centre with the list of places they have tried, the JC employee says well done and ticks the boxes so he will get his nat. ins credits, but that's it, no other help, like calling some companies that have been chosen asking if they are still looking and can he come along for an interview.
He hasn't received jobseekers allownce for several months because of the incompetance of the people at the DWP and job-centres.
Don't get laid off in your 50s or 60s, as you'll be ignored.
The old and new government were/are, simply ignoring older people.
Roger
#4
At their peril, it should be said. Grey power is not a myth, we can be formidable.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#5
There are still jobs out there for us old ones. Just keep asking around and sooner or later it will happen ,it might not be work you are looking for or good pay but a job is a job.And it is a big help if you are in the know to.I fill sorry for anyone young or old that are looking for work and I am trying to help one young lad who is trying very very hard to get on in life,he has 7G.C.E. and would like to be a welder and has been seen by Bapcorks which is a very big company,there was over 2500 that went for the 80 jobs he is in the last 250 and will know in 3weeks time if he got one of them.
It is no good just writing letters and hoping they will get back to you,write the letter then go and put a face to that letter.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Roger, here in Dover, the job-centre are extremely helpful after one has signed on for six months. They offer courses, and refer people to Skills Training too.
Skills Training are able to refer people to courses, financed by the State, and plenty of time (months) is given to get through the course/courses, with all the appropriate help from tutors.
Pitmans yesterday sent me an email informing me (as a former student at Pitmans) that they have found over 5,000 administrative jobs in Britain on just three job-sites.
This is just one example, to show that there is definitely a desire to get people back to work, and age does not seem to be a limit in this process.
But, as the figures in my above post show, over the past year, 400,000 jobs were offered in Britain, which is a small number when compared to the 1.5 million people on unemployment benefit and the further 1 million unemployed who are not un JSA, and the several million on other out-of-work benefits.
Of-course, if 90% of these 400,000 jobs go to people who are not British, there is little chance indeed of signing off!
It's not age-related.
I did level 2 assessments in English and maths at Pitmans, but having passed them, there was no need to do a course.
So I did courses in IT. level 1 and level 2, and passed.
There was certainly no age-related limit among the students there.
But obviously, as many jobs that become available are in factories at the minimum wage, usually as warehouse operatives and packers, these firms will go for the very young, those in their 20s, although they will never say so openly, owing to age-discrimination laws.
My view is that, if you do not mention your age on a job application for one of these physical-related jobs, they assume you are over 30, and if you do not specifically mention any past experience in the sector of warehouse or picking and packing, again, they assume you have none.
Of-course I can't go further than that, so as not to become liable for defamation, but the official figures show that these firms have their ways of recruiting people, and 90% of those chosen are not British.
This is why the Government underlines the fact that so many young indegenous people are looking for work, because they know that many firms discriminate on a systematical basis against people who are British, no matter how young they are.
I suppose I could get myself into trouble by continuing along these lines, but I think we all know that it is a systematic racial discrimination that has been going on on the part of many minimum-wage businesses running factories where physical labour is required.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#7
if buinesses recruit through an overseas agency, the workers can be paid the minimum wage of their country of origin.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#8
courtesy of the mail, time will tell whether it is more lip service or if there is a desire.
A new generation will be condemned to a life on benefits without tougher measures to stem the flow of migrant workers, Iain Duncan Smith is to warn today.
The Work and Pensions Secretary will lift the lid on simmering Cabinet tensions over immigration, telling David Cameron that expensive back-to-work schemes will fail without strict controls on incomers.
He will also urge British businesses to give young people coming off welfare and back into employment a fair chance, and 'not just fall back on labour from abroad'.
The former Tory leader's warning comes as figures reveal that Britain's population increased by nearly half a million last year, driven by high levels of immigration and rising birth rates.
In a speech today, he will highlight statistics suggesting that more than half of new jobs in the past year have been taken by foreigners
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#9
Are people missing the encouraging point ------
Despite the recession there are new jobs, many of them, but... too many are getting taken by foreigners.
So all of you who go on about the so called cuts and where the new jobs will come from for those laid off should take note of that. Not all these jobs are low paid or menial either, I met a Rumanian today, who speaks better English than most English, who is involved a the marketing of a new lighting product from China.
Right now though it is easier for employers to take on foreigners simply because the British are often too workshy and badly presented compared with many foreigners. I certainly would not employ someone who turned up for an interview in casual clothing and/or covered in tatoos or piercings. That is the experience too many employers have of British applicants. Yes, there are many exceptions to the rule and, at the end of the day, people need to shape up and show they want to work.
#10
Sadly I share many of those recruitment experiences. In addition, many application forms are badly spelled, badly written and sometimes even grubby. On the bright side, some aren't.
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#11
The good ones really stand out too Bern.....and get snapped up.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#12
funny you should mention a romanian barry, had a young chap do an electrical job about 4 years ago.
he got in the country in the old asylum days, he said how he liked britain because of its work ethic.
he warned that when his countrymen got full rights to move here they would get a nasty shock.
obviously not all romanians are lazy and not all british work hard, nevertheless intereting to hear the other side of the coin.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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There are essentailly two realities in applying for a job.
Barry notes the exterior appearance of the applicant, and intends with this the idea of a man in a suit with golden cuffs on his shirt-sleeves, walking into an office and asking to be employed.
However, many jobs, probably the majority, are factory-related, where people do not work wearing suit and tie, or a nice dress and expensive lady's shoes.
These jobs are always offered via recruitment agencies, and they each receive usually over 100 applications.
This is easy to check, just go on a job-site where the number of applications is indicated, and see.
The emplyer does NOT see any of these applicants when choosing the few who will be selected for an interview.
Those who are not selected, will not be seen by the employer, who only viewed their application.
Surely the 98 out of 100 applicants who did not get an interview did not write: "I have tatoos, wear ear-rings, my old man is a dustman, lives in a council flat, and wears a dustman's hat", as Barry sort of implies.
So how on Earth can the employer reject these 98 out of 100 applicants without ever seeing them face to face, in the way Barry seems to suggest.
It is obvious to see that the emplyer is following different criteria?
Or do you believe, Barry, that the employer summons all 100 apllicants to his office and views them personally? He/she doesn't!
And please believe me, Barry, that unemployed people applying for a factory or cleaning job, or similar, usually do not have the money to buy a suit and tie and a pair of city-formals, nor would they be expected to turn up at an interview wearing them! To be serious, and normally dressed, at such an interview, is enough.
Are we talking here offactory or cleaning jobs? Yes.
My belief is that the employers who read the applications know full well who they will choose, as they (at least almost always) get the application via an online recruiting agency, which is how most of these jobs are offered and applied for.
Barry, I'd like to welcome you to the other half of the world which you are evidently not acquainted with!
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Bern's post 10 is interesting. Many people working in factories in Britain speak little or know English.
How did they make their application for work?
The employer evidently didn't care how little English they spoke.
But if an English person makes one spelling mistake: ho ho... he's lazy, illiterate... every excuse under the sun
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#15
Little or no English. was supposed to be written there.
So I AM illiterate! I knew it
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#16
When I was in Germany working ,I was told on day1 this is the only time we talk in English after today all your orders each day will be in German, I still have my German book which I took to work each day .
ie (Door-keeper in german is Pfortner. (Come with me is Kommen Sie mit.
Bath is Bad, Broom is Besen.
(You cannot speak to the manager at the moment= Sie Konnen Herrn Direktor jetzt nicht sprechen. He has no time= Er hat keine Zeit.Please get the interpreter= Holen Sie den Dolmetscher. Pay attention =Pessen Sie auf.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#17
zey haf vays of getting you to speak the language.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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sehr gut= very good. ich bin zufrieden mit ihnen= Iam very pleased with you.
Guest 645- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I know from experience that when I go for a job interview wearing ''....a nice dress and expensive lady's shoes.....'' that it proves to be a real ice breaker.
Marek
I think therefore I am (not a Tory supporter)
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#20
Alexander - I have never employed anyone via an agency and have always interviewed myself in my 22 years of being in business.
Appearance is important for the jobs I have taken people on for and first impressions count. Anyone dealing with the public must look presentable. Appearance is also an indicator of character.
For me appearance and character are more important than formal qualifications.