Apathy
- 11 March 2013 12:11219736It seems as if Barry can say what he likes and insult people but you cant say anything back or you get censored.If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
- 11 March 2013 13:10219744BarryW.
Its very simple and it is no excuse.
You state.
"But what really made me laugh out loud were many aspects of GaryC's post. The 70's language about 'workers' for one thing in which many employees failed to see how their future and interest were closely tied to the prosperity and success of the company they work for to such a degree they destroyed those very companies through their strike action and militancy".
I state.
I have agreed with these' ,YOUR, sentiments, on this very point, on several occasions, so why do you ignore what I have posted and respond with your ignorant lies, trying to portray me as someone that I am not.
You are not interested in civilised discussion, just spin & tripe.
Howard.
Just how long are you going to allow BarryW to continue to ignore what posters actually state, then allowing him to twist the knife by mis-representing what posters have actually posted?"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum" - 11 March 2013 13:14219746gary
most of us misrepresent others on here at times, accidently or sometimes deliberately, there is nothing i can do to stop it as i must do it myself.
personal insults like the ones you and barry have exchanged are not acceptable though, other people stop posting because they think they will be set upon . - 11 March 2013 13:40219748That is what I said when I was censored. 2 years ago you may remember Barry threatened to sue me and others as I understand.So he can say what he likes and no action is taken that is why so of us don't post on here Howard because you cant have a opinion at times unless you agree with Barry or you get sued.If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
- 11 March 2013 13:59219751john - you are simply dragging the thread down into a personal vendetta. so no-one can have a opinion different to barry?
allow me to introduce you to tom, keith, brian and myself that make a point of disagreeing with barry on most issues. - 11 March 2013 14:15219754If home-truth statements are made about national politicians such as the Chancellor, on account of his insane Austerity programme, where would the use of bad language come into it?
We all know that one man in the Government is preaching and enforcing misery on the People, a failed politician, with failed Austerity policies, as has been noted by so many economic analysts with media coverage.
The recipients of his failed insane policies have a right to answer back, this is freedom of speech, and there is no room for bad language, Roger!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 11 March 2013 14:19219757John: What is astonishing is how someone in your position fails to see what exactly you did wrong a couple of years ago. It involved, you and only you and was a serious matter. I will say no more on that issue now but you would be wise not to re-open it.
GaryC - You posted personal insults towards me. I did not do so to you until after your post and even then indirectly, it is here for all to see. You have a low opinion of me, that is fair enough, I have a low opinion of you. I remember the last time we clashed, then you even threw out your highly personal insults after I complimented something you said. This simply tells me that you are unfit for civilised company. - 11 March 2013 14:27219758Oh dear here we go again
"I will say no more on that issue now but you would be wise not to re-open it." 
Audere est facere. - 11 March 2013 14:30219759These personal clashes are probably due to resentment about the effects of Austerity and the ensuing debates.
Stifling the economy through a centralised system that ultimately depends on a handful of Cabinet ministers who are clueless, can lead to people arguing with each other.
The reason being, we have no chance to make the economy better as long as a few people in the Cabinet run a centralised system that has complete control over Parliament and local Government.
As a result, people argue with each other, which is a shame.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 11 March 2013 14:31219760Actually Alex the thread is about apathy among Dovorians, I don't see what Osborne has to do with it
- 11 March 2013 14:34219761For me its about Apathy towards politicians, David.
Local politicians depend on national policies and are unwilling to support any innovative ideas locally, as these are not part of centralised political programmes.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 11 March 2013 14:36219762In fact, David, try reading post 1, it's not about anything other than Apathy towards national political policies.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 11 March 2013 14:39219764Alexander I agree with post #52, my day has not been wasted
Audere est facere. - 11 March 2013 14:43219765Yes fair enough, it was Ross who discussed it at a local level.
I'm just glad that people agree with my stance that we have far too many politicians at every level. - 11 March 2013 14:5721976754 David,even I agree with your stance.
Watty - 11 March 2013 15:13219769Thanks Paul.
There is no doubt that there are politicians at every level that are committed, honest and diligent, but their impact is diluted by the majority that are superfluous to our needs. The national savings made if their numbers, at every level, were cut by 30/40 % would be enormous. If those that are discarded want to show how community minded they are they can carry on helping out without being attached to a title. - 11 March 2013 16:03219777David, I would love to detach the word councillor. I have always found it pretentious and an impediment.
Watty - 11 March 2013 16:17219780That's interesting Paul.
I really don't mind what these people are called, I just know that if every one of them vanished tomorrow virtually nothing would change. Those with good intentions would still help out where they could - 11 March 2013 16:33219784Howard.
It is possible that I have accidently misinterpreted someone's post on the forum before but I have to say I cannot remember doing so.
I certainly can state that I have never done so on purpose, as BarryW has, on far too many occasions, against me, with your knowledge and blessings.
It begs the question what does he have on you Howard?
And before you answer that and censure me.
I will apologise to all forumites except him, say goodbye and log off."My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum" - 11 March 2013 16:48219785There's very little a council can do (for example district council), so long as council revenue depends largely on Government grants, and if the Government then cuts spending on councils, by, say, 40%, as is currently happening.
And there's little a council can do if local economic decisions depend largely on central Government decisions and on the wims of corporate/big firms. For example, see Pfizer. They go, emigrate to a low wage country, and thousands of jobs go.
Plus many jobs of smaller local firms that used to supply Pfizer.
And numerous small firms have long gone, outsourcing the production to China, India and elsewhere, where low wages are paid.
So unemployment, housing benefit dependency, jobseekers benefit dependency, all contribute to the collpase of local prosperity,
In order to break the chain-link domination of Cabinet UK - banks - big corporations, and build up a sane economy based on the spirit of enterprise and the desire to uphold the local Community, councils need to have a greater income from local taxes, an incentive/obligation to provide training courses in the available sectors of employment, to create economic production where necessary (following consultation with other councils in the county), and to have a financial liability to all unemployment-related benefits.
This would be the incentive to assure local people are being treated fairly, because the more we'd be left out and despised, the more it would cost the local community to support us, as Central Gov. would not pay a dyme towards unemployment-related benefits.
This is the real way to make local Administration accountable, responsible, and - yes - ACTIVE! .Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ