Guest 703- Registered: 30 Jul 2010
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Here's one of the problems of European trade, 123 pieces of legislation and 135 notices issued so far just this year, including as an example in the most recent page fixing quotas and price limits for imports/exports -
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/JOIndex.doGuest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Mark - there most certainly is a groundswell for getting out though I do not think a simple in/out referendum would be successful in getting us out. If, however, a renegotiated set of terms that results in a changed relationship similar to what Switzerland has, EFTA style, was put to a referendum then I do believe that will be won with a margin of 2 to 1.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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I don't believe there is any real groundswell for getting out of the EU.
Mark, I am astounded at your comments, we are truly living on different planets
You have to be on the gravy train to?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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a couple of points here:-
firstly people have the economy at the top of their agenda at the moment, the europe question will be on a back burner until things improve.
secondly most people under the age of 40 do not remember a time when we were not in the e.u. no great interest to them.
if you held a poll people would react and say that europe is to blame for their own problems as a knee jerk reaction.
once debate got under way it would be very different.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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There are interesting points here all round, including Paul's reference to UKIP and to the trade equation.
Personally I believe trade with Europe would regulate itself according to market demand, once Britain left the EU, or the EU left Britain.
But one important point is, why does the Cabinet (not the Shadow C., but the Gov. Cabinet) scare us with press releases saying that a Greek euro exit will be disastrous for the UK economy?
On the other hand, we all know that Germany and France have been financially bled to oblivion lending money to Greece, and many banks have to renounce 50% of the debts owed them by Greece according to the recent Greek bailout plan.
Britain cannot afford to throw more billions at Greece either.
Then they scare us with Spain and Italy on the verge of bailing out, predicting gloom and doom beyond human comprehension.
Of-course, with these statements, it is the sheer reality that we are being confronted with by the Cabinet in Westminster, they are the ones telling us how bad the EU is and how it's inherent nature based on pyramid debt and ponzi schemes will drag us into disaster....
We are just innocent folk sitting watching the screen as big apocalyptic phrases are being flung by presidents, prime ministers and chancellors in relation to the EU and its financial crash, which, they promise us, is getting worse and will be the cause of our ruin..... (echo into the wilderness...)
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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BARRYW;
You can't go on blaming the lib dems for cameron's errors(if it is in a error)
david is clear under his leadership to stay in the E.U. hes swayed away from the lib dems on other issues, so lets be frank on this one(who's frank lol)
we are to stay in the E.U. under the present parties.
yes looks like labour is trying to score a few points which they may live to regret, but its all eyes on cameron at the moment, will he jump, will he be pushed,
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Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keith - look at what is actually going on and the trends.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
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A lot of peole besides myself are watching very very closely.
unless david is unseated(maybe your aware of whewn this is barryw to be so confident)
or a general election(even that may not solve it)
then we will still b here chatting on this one for years to come
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