howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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courtesy of the independent
Almost one in three people who voted Conservative at the last election are ready to back the UK Independence Party, or have switched already, according to a devastating new opinion poll revealing the danger posed to David Cameron by a growing anti-Europe sentiment across Britain.
Ten per cent of 2010's Tory voters say they have already decided to back Ukip, while 26 per cent of those who still support the Conservatives are "seriously considering" switching to support the Eurosceptic fringe party. Nigel Farage, its leader, has sought to capitalise on the economic crisis gripping the eurozone.
Forty-six per cent of people polled say they would vote for Britain to leave the European Union, with just 30 per cent saying they want to continue membership. If the 23 per cent who responded "don't know" were removed, such a referendum would see Britain leave the EU on a 3:2 split
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Ukip could possibly win if they agreed to a, lend me your vote strategy.
If they backed it up with fresh parliamentary elections immediately after withdrawal from the EU.
Encouragingly ukip have agreed to adopt the policy of reversing the Eastern European labour invasion, some thing very popular with the working class.
They could appeal to Tory and labour core voters.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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agree with your overall assessment keith, but it would be too late to do anything about the east european workers.
those who would come are already here.
Brian Dixon
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howard,how was the question posed in the first place.as you know my opinon on the matter.but the only question should we leave europe all together or should we fully intigrate.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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no question has been posed so far brian, no doubt if a referendum ever happens there will be big arguments over the wording.
i think the big project will have disintegrated before any referendum happens here.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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whatever the out come howard,the uk could be hurting for a long time if d cameron is right.but as i keep saying its growth we want and not blind panic as is happaning now.i will give it 18 months to see if europe stays or go's.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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The Fix for that howard
We would be out of the EU and have the rights to say thank you very much but its time for you to go back home.
Before you all start howling, we could give it to the voters in a referendum, being out of the EU we could enjoy having are democracy back and making are own rules
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I can't see a question about should we fully integrate Brian, that would include the Euro.
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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keith
we would be pariahs on the world stage and be accused of ethnic cleansing.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Are own people cum first howard
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i fully agree with the sentiment about putting our own people first keith but governments of all colour put the needs of big business first.
too late to do anything about it, who would be kicked out?
a vast number of children either were born here since the influx or are too young to remember their country of origin.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#11, Howard, and a vast number of children are getting UK child benefit despite never having been outside Poland.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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that is my understanding peter, the bigger problem is with incomers from one country that used to be two that do actually have children here and have realised that the more you have the more you get.
they are also claiming "back home" but the amounts are miniscule compared to what we pay out.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Remove the rights to work, housing, health, education and benefits.
They will retune home, Remember they cum for what they could get
Guest 725- Registered: 7 Oct 2011
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Under normal circumstances I'd say let's extricate ourselves from the eu. However we do not have any politicians capable of running a successful economy let alone a country.
What do we have on offer? A husky hugging pretend right winger who has no real experience in the real world, a career liberal who is away with the fairies and a complete wombat leading the labour party.
Sorry but we have no choice but to accept our lot and all that goes with it. Anyone who thinks that we can stand on our own two feet in a global economy is frankly deluded.
You only have to see the energy policies dreamed up by all three so see how much damage they are doing to our nation.
Both feet forward for fuller integration I say.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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I would never agree to full integration with Europe - the EU.
There has been debate recently about the United States of Europe, where, in effect, Europe becomes more a Country than a Continent and they have rules for each of the Federalist states, as they do in the United States of America.
There has also been much talk about British companies looking for new business outside of Europe.
The history and culture of the different European countries (and the languages too of course, which will have to become one - but which one ?) are a world away from the American States.
Each individual country was far stronger - economically, before the Euro, than since; we're all part of Europe, we all have different economies, made of from different sources - tourism, agriculture, manufacturing etc. and of course, different size countries, but having "one size fits all" won't work - it can't work.
There is a finite amount of money that can be pumped in to help ailing economies, but the sum that the ailing countries need, is more than there is available.
Roger
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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roger,intergration or out meens getting of the fence once and for all,weather you like the euro for cash or not.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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like to pose a question here. why are people so frightend of change?.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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people in general are not frightened of change brian, if there is an improvement rather than change for changes sake.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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howard,we will never know by sitting on the fence.