Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"Oh, I do like to pee beside the sea-side, oh I do..." [Oh no, that wont do!]
"Oh I do like a beer beside the sea-side, oh I do..."
Maybe we should blame the Victorians for the ongoing attractiveness of coastal resorts, in any case it is a hard nut to crack, this, attracting only those 'we' would prefer.
I imagine major resorts; Blackpool, Yarmouth etc., have to endure a seasonal rise in 'offensiveness' to go along with their resident-evils.
So...it's not all bad, being beside the sea-side.
I wonder if it would be possible for the Police to hand out 'breakfast' vouchers in exchange for the confiscated alcohol?
In any case, we must all attempt to steer clear of the notion of a 'round-up' of supposed undesirables.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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That's it tom fudge the problem,, rather than try to help fix it
Why is compulsory rehab a bad thing in your eyes
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I am sure that if you were to consider what I say you would conclude that I am offering clarity Keith. You rail against my 'fudge' only because it is not the 'blindness' you offer.
Compulsory Rehabilitation, is not a 'bad thing' in my eyes, it is a no-thing in my eyes.
Sweeping a problem aside it no great leap up from simply wishing it away.
I am sure that along with the feeling of despair that comes with the ineffectiveness of the ban on strong alcohol in the town centre there is a sense of relief felt by those who live further afield and those who use the parks and open spaces that it was hoped these drunks would move off to.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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Your hand ring moment says it all
Better to let them suffer than to do the right thing and try to fix the problem
This is why liberals should never be in government gutless
Hittler would have walked in the door if people like you had been in government during the war
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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...and been welcomed with open arms by people like yourself?
In any case. If you have the solution could you please explain what the problem is?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the problem is clear to see tom and nobody likes it, other towns have clamped down on it.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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tom
The old left Nazi innuendos when you've lost the argument
Drink and drugs is a reversible Condition
You just need the political guts to do it
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself)[3] than others.[1] For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever debate was in progress.[7]
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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That's right Keith, I'm the one that introduced 'Nazi' into this conversation.
"Drink and drugs is a reversible Condition"
To save on space, let us call it what it is, Chemical Dependency. Yes it is possible to wean people off, a majority of people even. Then what? Chemical castration, frontal lobotomies? So that these same folk can sit around soberly and quietly, and idly?
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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The point is Tom you suggested Keith was a Nazi with absolutely no basis in foundation.
It is clear from #44 what Keith thinks of Hitler, as usual when on the backfoot you claim otherwise.
Incidentally re weaning people off drugs, its only possible if the individual wants to be weaned off.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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we seem to be missing the main point, it is not about the use or abuse of alcohol or drugs but the fact that it is done in front of townspeople and visitors.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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I am content for the reader to adjudge.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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tom
You indicated I would Welcome Nazis with open arms
Despite the facts that I am a democrat
It was you tot tom that invoked Godwin's law
So what would you do with the problem drinking in Dover
Instead of going of into some drivel of bull s...
Just give an alternative to my mandatory rehabilitation.
Of drinkers and drugs
??
PS. I have a cat called tom tom
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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sorry keith, on this one you invoked godwin's law in post 44.
what a strange name for a cat, does he stutter when purring?
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Howard, Godwin's law involves accusing somebody of being a Nazi, Keith didn't do that, Tom did.
It is clear from #44 that Keith is anti Hitler, Tom's default setting is to assume the opposite.
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I stated a fact the liberals would not have defended Briton in ww2
Appeasement would have been the chosen root
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"So what would you do with the problem drinking in Dover "
Really, and honestly. What we must get clear is just what the problem is.
An ASB issue, a problem of people being within the community, but not of the community. Not simply that they are outsiders, but because they do not share in the common goals of the wider community.
Now, if we were to reject all notions of forced removal/displacement. We could consider inclusion;perfect or imperfect.
a-Perfect:
All recognise the true extent of the problems faced by the individual;dependency, social and educational.
b-Imperfect:
Cater to them as a whole with a designated 'Alcohol Inclusion Zone'.
(a) This being a National issue* any town would have to act in small ways:swap the alcohol for breakfast-vouchers, so that the irate can moan on a full stomach. For there would be no reasoning with them otherwise.
(b) This is not really any better than removal/displacement, either way this all just becomes the problem of some other part of town.
*
The National Issue.
Despair is widespread and the mechanisms humans employ to deal with it are many and varied, but cutting a long story short, a recurring realisation of the uselessness of these ploys does often end in a overwhelming desire to be numbed through drink or drugs. There is a case that many people go straight to the bottom, but these may simply have inculcated their sense of despair from their environment as they were growing up.
It may be that 'work will set us all free' (but I don't want to get into all that again) and I am all for the State creating employment (and increasing the dole, and regulating rents) simply to allow the seed of hope to germinate in as many people as possible.
Our collective inability or unwillingness to support the innate desire to thrive in all our fellow citizens leaves many wallowing in waywardness:You get what you refuse to pay for just as much as you get what you pay for.
You either have £ots of reasons to visit the bank and run the gauntlet of the great-unwashed, or you have slightly £ess reason to visit the bank, but also no such gauntlet to run.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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pouring their drink down the drain would have a positive effect i feel sure, the free breakfast vouchers idea is frankly ludicrous tom as everyone that is hard up but not misbehaving would feel naturally aggrieved.
Brian Dixon
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#51
.never took you as an outspoken person david.