Andy B
- Location: dover
- Registered: 10 Nov 2012
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There was quite a few tourists in the market square this morning that stood and watched in horror as some Fat,horrible,drunken woman screamed obscenities at her partner for nicking her f-ing can of lager whilst cheered on by another group all drinking,shouting and swearing.All the usual gang that frequent that area.I felt really ashamed by the whole thing and wondered what they must have gone away thinking of our town.Would this be tolerated in any other country?I know that nowhere is perfect but how much longer can this go on for? Its turning our town into a joke.
Guest 705- Registered: 23 Sep 2010
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Andy, every town has got this sort of problem-it's universal. Localism has started to develop in Dover, thank goodness - one way and another these type of idiots will be frozen out. Ashamed yes- but surely not defeated.
Never give up...
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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For what it is worth, there is no real reason to see Dover as any different from many other towns, and there is much 'research' being done...
"Swimming with Crocodiles"
"Summary:
Swimming with Crocodiles examines the apparent increase in heavy drinking behavior by some young people in a number of countries, positioning it within its appropriate social, historical, and cultural contexts. The book argues in favor of a new term—"extreme drinking"—to fully encapsulate the many facets of this behavior, taking into account the underlying motivations for the heavy, excessive, and unrestrained drinking patterns among young people. The centerpiece of the book is a series of focus groups conducted with young people of legal drinking age in Brazil, China, Italy, Nigeria, Russia, South Africa, and the United Kingdom, which examine their views on extreme drinking, motivations behind it, and the cultural similarities and differences that exist, conferring at once risk and protective factors. The authors explore the developmental, cultural, and historical contexts that have surrounded this behavior, and offer a new approach to addressing it through prevention and policy. Swimming with Crocodiles: The Culture of Extreme Drinking is the ninth volume in the ICAP Book Series on Alcohol in Society."
http://www.icap.org/Publications/ICAPBookSeries/SwimmingwithCrocodiles/tabid/212/Default.aspx
Of general interest...
"Public Drinking in the Early Modern World"
"...Volume 1 draws heavily from the Parisian police archives and includes inspectors' reports, complaints by the general public and details of court cases to build a picture of drinking in early modern France. Volumes 2 and 3 address public drinking in the Holy Roman Empire through a variety of chronicles, civic ordinances, court records, travel reports and surveys of public houses. Volume 4 locates taverns within a broader analysis of America's public houses, drawing on visual material as well as journal entries, business reports and newspaper articles...."
http://www.pickeringchatto.com/titles/1151-9781851962846-public-drinking-in-the-early-modern-worldIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Andy B- Location: dover
- Registered: 10 Nov 2012
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Theres no Police about and these idiots seem to get little or no punishment for their ways.I dont know,but do we even have a working CCTV system in the town anymore?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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agreed tom, dover probably has less problems like this than other towns, lest we forget the police see this sort of behaviour as a lifestyle choice.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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The OECD says more spending on disadvantaged youngsters is the answer...
"The UK spends more than 90,000 per child from birth to the age of 18, above the OECD average of 80,000, but more than one-in-ten 15-19-year-olds are not in school, training or work, and educational results are "low relative to spending levels", the OECD said.
The UK performed worse than average in the study of overall child wellbeing, and was also poor in terms of risky behaviour, with high levels of under-age drinking and teenage pregnancy rates.
An OECD spokesman said: "The report concludes that the United Kingdom should spend more on younger, disadvantaged children...
..."Equally, the United Kingdom government should ensure that current high rates of spending on older children are much more effective in meeting the needs of the disadvantaged amongst them.""
Politicians on the other hand...
"SNP MSP Kenneth Gibson said the details exposed in the report were "shameful" and called for support for Scottish Government proposals to introduce a minimum price for alcohol and to ensure licensing boards considered raising the age limit for off-sales of alcohol."
http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk-teenagers-most-likely-in-the-world-to-get-drunk-says-report-1-772488Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Andy B- Location: dover
- Registered: 10 Nov 2012
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Agreed,i,m sure there is worse,but as this forum deals with Dover,not Brazil,Paris,etc etc i thought maybe just maybe i should mention what i observed this morning in our town,big or small its surely still a problem?
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Conclusions
This report has shown that the majority of CDRP audit and strategy documents mentioned alcohol as a factor in crime
and disorder in their area, particularly in relation to violent crime, disorder/antisocial behaviour and the night-time
economy, although far fewer then proceeded to prioritise or target alcohol-related issues in their strategy. The case studies
add to this picture by providing interesting and encouraging examples of what is being done throughout the country to
improve local concern about alcohol-related crime and disorder. As all case studies took different approaches to tackle
what they identified as the key local problems, they do not necessarily advocate the same processes, methods and
solution. However,
they do highlight the benefit of finding out what is happening locally and developing a strategy which best suits the needs of the community
http://www.dldocs.stir.ac.uk/documents/dpr20.pdf Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Guest 937- Registered: 12 May 2013
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I agree with Andy B. I'm ashamed at the impression Dover is giving to visitors and I don't agree that all towns are the same. That aside, why can't we have local laws banning on street drinking of alcohol? I hate that drunks lurch into me, accost me, intimidate me and all because of someone else's life choice!!
Andy B- Location: dover
- Registered: 10 Nov 2012
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Thankyou Pauline.I was beginning to wish i hadnt mentioned any of it.
Guest 937- Registered: 12 May 2013
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You know what you saw Andy and the impact it made on sorely need visitors. Say it as it is, I intend to. I am fed up being told we have to accept this kind of behaviour. I love Dover, warts and all but it really hurts to see the daily degradation of my hometown.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
- Posts: 62,352
andy and pauline
i was merely quoting what the police opined, that doesn't mean i agree with it.
Guest 937- Registered: 12 May 2013
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Ok Howard, but there does seem an air of defeatism regarding behaviour by of a few undesirables. Do you know the position regarding alcohol free town centres?
Guest 937- Registered: 12 May 2013
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By the way, apologies for typos, I have my right hand and arm in plaster!
Guest 697- Registered: 13 Apr 2010
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I was in Canterbury this morning and witnessed a very similar sounding incident outside the Beaney Museum - the language was certainly colorful. Once again, many tourists as onlookers. Certainly not isolated to Dover.
Guest 937- Registered: 12 May 2013
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I frequent Canterbury most weekends and although you are correct, Kevin, that bad behaviour is not restricted to just Dover, I can count on one hand the occasions I have witnessed such incidents in Canterbury over the past 5 years. I walk almost daily down the town centre and through the Market Square to the seafront and at some point I invariably find myself cringing .
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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From 27 September 2008
Somerfield - Variation to Alcohol Licence Application
I noticed today that Somerfield have submitted an application to vary their alcohol licence to allow them to sell alcohol from 7 in the morning.
If like me you think that this only does one thing - allow the street drinkers to start even earlier then you can object by following this link:
http://www.dover.uk.com/forums/dover-forum/somerfield-variation-to-alcohol-licence-application
From 12 June 2009
ALCOHOL AWARENESS IS ON THE CARDS THIS SUMMER
The campaign is part of the partnership's work to keep Dover District a safe place to live, work and visit. The Community Safety Partnership includes representatives from Dover District Council, Kent County Council, Kent Police, Eastern and Coastal Kent Primary Care Trust, and Kent Fire and Rescue Service. The substance misuse sub group additionally includes the Kent Drug and Alcohol Action Team, KCA (UK), the Kenward Trust and the Kent and Medway Alcohol Service.
http://www.dover.uk.com/forums/dover-forum/were-alcohol-aware-this-summer-say-ddc Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Brian Dixon
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
no wonder the cruise left early yesterday,
Keith Sansum1
- Location: london
- Registered: 25 Aug 2010
- Posts: 23,942
Like other towns/cities Dover does have this problem, and Somerfield wanting to sell alcohol so early will do little to help
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Guest 937- Registered: 12 May 2013
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I personally don't care what time of day alcohol is purchased, I just loathe the practice of people consuming it in my town centre leading to trash and offensive behaviour. Benches were installed in the precinct to enable people to rest and take in the street scene, not for some drunk or addict to sprawl across in full view or locals, visitors and worst of all, children. Why should the majority have to tolerate this dreadful behaviour from the few??