70 of land in the UK owned by 1% of the population
- 2 August 2013 11:25239467I am not hoping to be invited to any club Keith. Political party affiliations are nothing to do with it.
Your sense of inferiority is the real issue and there is no need for it. - 2 August 2013 11:35239471Barry as you're the voice of Tory dover
Why do you think it ok that 1% of the population has 70% of the land?? - 2 August 2013 12:24239481First of all Kieth I am not the voice of Tory Dover - I speak only for myself.
I also do not share your negativity and envy of what others have. I prefer to be positive and work to improve my lot and keep it free from the greedy grasp of government.
1% of people is a lot of people Keith. Most of whom will be looking after the land for future generations, preserving the countryside.
Take Lake Windermere. The west side of the lake is largely unspoilt while the east is overly and increasingly commercialised and built up. It would not be hard to guess which side has been in the hands of one family for generations and who care for it - the west. Not that they ignore the needs of today, they get a balance and a lot of tourists love it on that side with Beatrix Potter's cottage, we did segways there.
Farms, large grouse moors etc will make up a lot of that 70% you refer to. I also think you will find that those statistics include English Heritage and National Trust properties and MOD land - huge tracts of land being protected.
If you want to buy some land then there is nothing stopping you. You just have to raise the cash and/or borrow the money to do so. - 2 August 2013 13:28239488I have had something to say on these matters before, and I have stopped myself from commenting here, until now, as this was and is one subject that would quickly result in the usual table-tennis-tantrums.
However, being between tomes, I took myself off for an idle saunter around the local library the other day and lit upon one very useful work by the late Paul Foot:The Vote, how it was won, and how it was undermined*.
I've only had it a day or so, but as it is set out in chronological order, and as we all know how the tale turns out, I can speak of some things argued over way-back-when that are the subjects under discussion here.
"On the 1st of November 1790, [Foot writes], Thomas Paine** stepped out to buy a new book that promised to be the rage of fashionable London." Edmund Burke's*** Reflections on the Revolution in France.
To cut a short story shorter still, Paine was not happy with what he read.
Burke's conclusion was: "This [French] legislative assembly of a free nation sits, not for the security, but for the destruction, of property, and not of property only, but of every rule and maxim which can give it stability."
So offensive was this violation that Burke felt himself obliged to remind his readers of the fundamental rights of the propertied few. Near the end of his book he identified the 'surplus', which was created by the labour of everyone in society, but seized for their own advantage by the rich minority:"In every prosperous community something more is produced than goes to the immediate support of the producer. This surplus forms the income of the landed capitalist. It will be spent by the proprietor who does not labour...This idleness is itself the spring of labour;this repose the spur to industry."
Burke argued...
"Good order is the foundation of all good things...The body of the people must not find the principles of natural subordination by art rooted out of their minds, They must respect that property of which they cannot partake. They must labour to obtain what by labour can be obtained; and when they find, as they commonly do, the success disproportioned to the endeavour, they must be taught their consolation in the final proportions of eternal justice."
For the destitute majority, there was no real hope on earth, so they must wait their chance in Heaven. [sums Foot]
*The Vote...
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vote-Paul-Foot/dp/190902600X/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1375443542&sr=1-2
**Thomas Paine...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine
***Edmund Burke...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_BurkeIgnorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing. - 2 August 2013 14:58239496Lots of smoke from Barry
The top 10 individual biggest owners control a staggering total of more than a million acres between them.
Private individuals not the national trust or the tree huggers society
These benefit scroungers think they can continue to pocketing taxpayer's cash and windmill and solar energy benefits on top.
And the politicians pushing these rich benefit windfalls, yes its Barrys Tory friends - 2 August 2013 20:20239525Lots of truth from me Keith, just a lot of envy and spite from you sprinkled with a dose of class hatred. As I said, how you feel about this is more about you than them.
- 2 August 2013 21:33239539BarryW.
"I prefer to be positive and work to improve my lot and keep it free from the greedy grasp of government".
That's all the Kent Miner ever wanted.
"My New Year's Resolution, is to try and emulate Marek's level of chilled out, thoughtfulness and humour towards other forumites and not lose my decorum" - 2 August 2013 21:42239540Your not in there class barry, your pretending to be,
Says more about you in reality, The need to feel above, them around you,
Some may say Narcissistic ,and all that stuff
It's all about resources as you well know the rich landowning gentry need to stop plundering the public purse, the true benefit theft.
Your party is attacking the bottom instead of starting at the top
I do support the working class, I am working class I have no confusion
The working class is the British majority; some people do get confused about class, your one of them,
Fitted carpets a Color TV and 200'000 in the bank , do not make you middle or upper class .
Theft is theft and there all at it barry You can not slag of the bottom and not the top - 3 August 2013 08:33239566Class is your obsession Keith, not mine. I do not believe in 'class' I am as good as anybody, something you should learn and knock that class hatred chip on your shoulder.
- 3 August 2013 09:33239581The class system is endemic as you well know bary
We would have plumbers car mechanics' and nurses, in parliament if it wasn't
A true representation of a common parliament.
And we wouldn't have 1% of the people owning 70% of the land
Just a snippet of your classless Tory leaders
The Bullingdon Club is an exclusive society at Oxford University, noted for its grand banquets and boisterous rituals, such as 'trashing' of restaurants and college rooms, and burning £50 notes in front of homeless people [1]
Founded perhaps as early as 1780, the Bullingdon was originally a sporting club, dedicated to cricket and horse-racing, although dinners gradually became its principal activity. Membership of the club is expensive, with tailor-made uniforms, regular gourmet hospitality and a tradition of on-the-spot payment for damage.[2] Its ostentatious display of wealth attracts much controversy, since many ex-members have moved up to high political posts. The university extends no official recognition to the club, and many local restaurants prefer not to host its events. But it remains a popular topic with the public, as shown by its regular featuring in fiction and drama, sometimes under its own name, and sometimes easily recognisable under another the Tory club - 3 August 2013 09:40239584You have a real problem Keith. You would do far better in life if you could shake off this inferiority complex of yours. As I said, it is nonsense.
- 3 August 2013 09:47239587You defend the indefensible.
- 3 August 2013 10:09239590i am the dead opposite to you keith, i have a superiority complex over the landed gentry as i know that i can scratch my own backside without resorting to an instruction manual or asking a member of staff to do it for me.