Guest 660- Registered: 14 Mar 2008
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#61
I have to agree with Ross especially as our Community Warden Alison is so good,hope you realise Vic that everything that was suggested by KCC will all come about,they will cut back and cut back and they will say they consulted the people.No they will have consulted a few people you and a few others the rest will get the cuts,Consultaion is a joke they have already made up thier minds and you fell for it!
If you knew what I know,we would both be in trouble!
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#62
That is not true and you know it,all I have done is go to a meeting and reported back as I said I would,we do not know at this time what KCC will or will not do, they are asking the public what we think of the proposals they did not have to do it,if the KCC had been a red one ,and this come up you would be the very first to standup and say well done to them so lets wait and see.
#63
It feels more like being asked to vote for the method of ones own execution rather than being allowed to appeal against the sentence.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#64
basically that is the case just a matter of what services will be cut.
that takes nothing away from the delegates that have given up their time to do the county council's dirty work.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#65
Every one says don't waste your time it's a forgone conclusion, don't do anything. I completely disagree with this attitide - if you don't give any input, it will be a forgone conclusion.
On the regeneration topic, I think that Kent Tourism do a good job but it could be better. I also think that (more ?) money should be given to local authorities to promote/market their own historic sites and attractions and as Dover (District) has more historic sites and attractions than any other town in Kent, we would have more to gain.
Many of our smaller sites (like Crabble Corn Mill, Dover Transport Museum, Westyern Heights and the Roman Painted House) are run on a shoe-string and by volunteers, but get very little if any, financial or moral support.
Many ways to promote a Town or even a site, do not need big sums of money, just the ideas and of course, supported by a Can-Do attitude, which sadly we lack here.
Roger
Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#66
Re #58
You have reported this wrongly. Children with special needs are transported to and from school and home by mini buses, coaches and taxis (people carriers mostly). Each vehicle has at least one fully trained escort, sometimes two if the children need a lot of supervision. Occasionally there may be a child who needs to be transported on their own but for the most part there are up to twelve children per vehicle. I have been a registered school escort for more than 10 years so I do know what I'm talking about.
This sort of misinformation does no-one any good, so please if you have to give your opinion get your facts straight !
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
#67
I would feel it was more of a consultation is the subjects where not preselected , there is a choice of 19 , not , We need to save x ammount how could it be achieved, the type of services to be cut have already been selected , and not only that but the type of cuts each service may get have also been selected . I would be more impressed if the other options included cutting chief executives pay , ending the farce of performance related bonuses for social services , which infact can lead to front line staff being pulled off casework and bought in on overtime to back date files to ensure that when the paper audit is undertaken the right boxes are ticked .
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#68
Jacqui.I am writing it down from their own sheets,please just keep to the proposal which are not mine but the KCC, We all know of your dislike for myself there is no need to keep on about it.
We move on to the next one,all what you are writing will go to the KCC. .
This is number 8.
Home to School transport.
The proposal is=
Reduce the number of children entitled to free home to school transport to secondary schools.
Currently around 19,000 children receive daily home to school transport which costs Kcc £14million the saving to the KCC would be £2million.
For the Proposal.
(1) Some feel that ie a parent who choose to send their child to a selective or denomintional school which is further away than their nearest secondary school, should have to fund transport themselves.?
(2) Eligibility criteria could still be in place to provide financial assistance,enabling low income families to still have a choice.
(3)There is some overlap if someone has a Freedom pass and receives free Home to school transport.
Against the proposal.
(1) Some feel people should have the right to choose which school to send their children to_i.e. selective or denominational-without having to worry about the cost of school transport.
(2) It would be unfair for low income families in remote locations to have to pay for home to school transport.
{3] If home to school transport was not available, parents may choose to drive their children to school instead, which would increase congestion and carbon emissions.
Please tell me have any of you yet got near the £20million that the KCC ,need to save.?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#69
Sarah all what you are saying was talked about, KCC said this" the wages of their top officers is being look at,overtime is cut to the mim/. But as I said this is all going to the KCC ,so they will see what you have wrote.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#70
to tell the the truth vic i am wondering what they will spend the 50 million quid on that an icelandic court has awarded them.
that was only this week, the stuff you are working on is the situation about a year ago when they had almost written that money off.
#71
True Howard , in fact using that example prehaps they should be organizing a consultation on what, we the council tax payers of Kent , would like to spend our 30 million pound windfall on
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#72
Sorry I know nothing about what you are saying Howard. But will add this geting £50million awarded by the court and geting the cash into your bank is not that easy,they might pay back so much a year,I do not know.Its not a windfall as such it is geting back funding that the KCC put in their bank some years ago.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#73
been on the national news this week vic, you are probably right that it might get paid back in instalments.
the thing is that the money would have not been in their costed plans.
even if it is paid back over time, these cuts are over time too - not just next year.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#74
Early years advisers-The Proposal.
Reduce the number of early years advisers.
advisors regularly vist the nurseries and provide advice,support and guidance in areas such as curriculum planning,opservation and assessment and Special Educational Needs.
KCC spends over £8 million to support over 2,600 chidcare providers and childminders, over 740 providers of private/voluntary sector nursery providers and 414 primary/infant schools running nursery/reception classes. The save for the proposal would be £2million.
For The Proposal.
(10Some feel that there should be less intervention/regulation from Councils and that providers should be left to"get on" with running a service.
{2} Could parents regulate these providers not public officials? Do they alraedy do this in deciding where to send their child for provision.
Now Against the proposal.
(1) Early education is an essential part of a childs development. Nursery places and childcare should be regulated to ensure the best service possible.
(2) The availability of a quality nursery/childcare place has enabled many parents to return to work knowing their child will be well cared for.
(3) Some feel it is better value to have an early intervention from qualified professionals when children are young rather than cost of other childrens services in the long run.
#75
I have drifted a bit since the start of this, so this is genuine and not intended as "difficult". What are we aiming to do with this? I am not one to advocate doing nothing, under any circumstances, but I am not clear what this piecemeal feeding of confusing (to me) information is going to do. Is this the best form of feedback we can manage?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#76
You could be right on that one Howard,again I do not know and we will never find out,but take it from me the cuts will go ahead.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#77
Bern this not a feedback ,it is about the cuts that will take place from the above, but they will not all be cut,that is what the KCC are asking the public to look at the list and say where they think the £20million will come from.
The feedback will come from the KCC after they have look at what the public are telling them.
I would not be siting here hour after hour and giving my Saturday up if I did not think the KCC are not going to take any notice of what the public are saying.
The next one will be tomorrow or late tonight but it will be Foster carers.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#78
KCC's consultation on spending cuts resembles tearing petals out of a rose.
Guest 643- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#79
Re Post #68
YOU SAID in POST 58
"We transport around 3,700children with special educational needs to school every day,which costs £17million per year. Currently each child is taken individivually via taxi from home to school and back again. Each year taxi companies increase the prices they charge to us. "
This is taken from your post#58
Not a dig at you - just fact - I stand by what I said, it is wrong.
There's always a little truth behind every "Just kidding", a little emotion behind every "I don't care" and a little pain behind every "I'm ok".
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#80
Then, Jacqui, you should be railing at KCC, not shooting the messenger.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson