Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Roger you are one of the few who has your priorities the right way round, but you are sadly in the minority.
sorry you lost your seat in the chamber, shame for your ward snd Dover.
Arte et Marte
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Roger, I did not undertake any campaigning against the Tory party leading up to the general election notwithstanding the enormous amounts of emails reaching me from many different UKIP offices including Nigel Farage in person asking me to get involved.
At the end of the day what counts for you is that your party got in to government, hence whatever I did to UKIP should not be held against me by the Conservatives.
I deemed UKIP a party of loose canons firing off in all directions (or should that be cannons?), and one without the slightest idea on a financial reform, which Britain really needs in order to get the economy in order.
I kept my nose out of political campaigning, including going to South Thanet, which UKIP had asked me to do.
It was a close call there, and of-course I could have delivered leaflets to thousands of letterboxes, as once I did in Dover where UKIP subsequently came third, but I chose not to.
Yes Mr. Farage may have got the extra votes, or his Tory opponent may have got a few thousand less votes if as many voters had been deterred after reading some leaflet or other explaining why they should not vote Conservative, but I chose not to.
I've been offered posts in UKIP in the past as executive member, but turned them down.
I had my reasons, because I could have made UKIP successful if they had taken a proposal of mine seriously and without ifs and buts. That was some years ago.
They didn't go for it, and then got what they deserved.
In fact UKIP were contacting me constantly, so I assumed if they wanted me, they'd also accept something from me that would have put them in front.
Sadly for UKIP, they thought they could afford to be haughty, because at that time they were going up North in the polls, reaching even a high of 22% at some point.
Yet I knew that the wind would run out of their sails if they didn't go for the boost I was offering them, and indeed they started going down South, finally reaching 10% in the opinion polls, and petered out at that level.
In fact, when the local Dover and Deal UKIP branch collapsed some years ago and they contacted me from the South East office to help put in place a new branch, as a condition I made an offer that would have been like on a golden platter for UKIP.
All they needed to say was "yes".
Instead they kicked the can down the road and then believed they could go it alone.
That was being haughty and they paid a high price for it.
You probably know yourself that I used to be active in local matters such as in public consultations and had steadfast opinions and the will to get my point home.
UKIP have only got themselves to blame.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thank You Reginald; I too was very sad to lose my seat - the only Conservative to do so, not sure what that says about the electorate in MEP (I'm not saying this in an insulting way, just curious).
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The ward has always been marginal, the last time only about 80 votes separated the first 5 candidates. This time Peter Wallace ran out clear winner because of his work rate in Maxton and Elms Vale. Not sure how the other votes came about though.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Roger, I am from the Maxton Elmsvale Priory ward, and as you know, citizens of EU member states can vote in local elections.
People from Eastern Europe who I have spoken with gave me some reasons why they wouldn't vote.
Many Eastern Europeans I've spoken to in Dover have a very harsh opinion of their own governments and don't feel any connection whatsoever towards UK politicians.
But they feel attached to their own respective countries and give the impression of wishing for something better than what they currently have there.
Personally I think many Brits think the same for our Country, and I certainly do.
I'm listening right now to Occitanian music in the southern French language d-Oc.
Last year at Dover Castle, English Heritage had a group performing, where one lady sang in old Kentish-English, another in Medieval French of the langue d'ouil, and yet another in Occitanian French.
They were perfect in their performance.
I'm looking forward to the next English Heritage display at the Castle with British and German soldiers later this month.
For English Heritage members entry is free, perhaps for members there is only a one pound entry to be paid for some exhibitions.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Forgive me for asking Howard and it's certainly no slight on Peter or his work, but he must have been telling you what he's done for you to know what he's done - if you get my drift.
I know I have copied you in some of my emails that I've sent to various departments at DDC, but obviously not all. Do you find out on Social media what he's done ?
Roger
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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He posts one a day on social media Roger, highlighting what he has reported to DDC/KCC thus saving others doubling up with their reports. Blocked drains, pot holes and defective street lights to KCC, fly tipping and rubbish generally to DDC. Most reports relate to Maxton and Elmsvale, very rarely in Priory.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I spoke too soon about Priory, Peter and John Heron were down my road today knocking on doors to ask people about their concerns.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Getting back to UKIP some of their more knuckle dragging followers continually promote Britain First despite orders from head office not to do so. There was a great spoof today about a mega mosque being built in the centre of Birmingham with the call to prayer on the minaret set to blast out everyone in a 15 mile radius!!
Everyone believed it and called for Nigel to intervene.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Thank You Howard.
I've been doing all those for years - when I see them I report them. I even used to go out looking for them when time permitted.
Anyway, I'm not getting back in, so good luck to Peter and hope he can find every block drain-gulley etc.
Roger
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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There are different kinds of UKIP supporters, Howard.
Many are like BNP supporters, other are Liberals, others are disillusioned Labour supporters, many are former Tory supporters who mostly went back to the Conservatives on May 7...
And there were plenty of Trojan horse infiltrators.
It's all caving in now.
Farage lost when he opened the doors to every 20-year-old Tory university graduate who pretended to "cross over" and then placed them in the highest places to the sound of UKIP trumpets and with big lavish banquettes, while the original UKIP followers were deemed by Farage to be "nasty, unwanted racists"..
Most of the infiltrators later crossed back to the Tories, slamming the door loudly when they went and sneering the usual "racist" word at UKIP. It was a planned Trojan horse operation.
On going back to the Tories, they were greeted by grinning Tory MPs and by Cameron as the lost sheep returning to the fold.
Each left their infiltrated footprint in UKIP and an assorted baggage of weird policies.
Farage has done his number in the circus, the head of the wooden Trojan horse lies on the ground, indeed they came wiggling out through all the holes in the wooden horse laughing at Farage, leaving the wooden, worm-eaten Trojan horse UKIP party a withering wreck.
Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Roger Walkden wrote:Anyway, I'm not getting back in, so good luck to Peter and hope he can find every block drain-gulley etc
No need for you to stop Roger, you've been elected a local councillor and out in the shires that's the group that mainly reports on street lights, blocked drains etc, bypassing DDC and going direct to KCC - carry on.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I see that the economics spokesperson has paid the price for saying nasty things about the supreme leader, cordially invited to fall on his sword. I think Carswell will be next he looks most uncomfortable in the presence of other ukippers, wouldn't be surprised if he tried to worm his way back in with the Blues.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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The purge continues with Suzanne Evans the latest victim.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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MP Carswell recently turned down half the money the State offered him on UKIP's behalf, which he was entitled to accept as only UKIP MP, and use to employ secretaries.
Farage asked him to accept the whole sum, Carswell refused.
Once masses of disillusioned UKIP supporters cease donating to the party, and members stop renewing their membership, and major sponsors withhold their funding, UKIP should go down like a relieved balloon loosing its air.
Farage will lose his BNP supporters too and will long for the day when those "nasty racists" he once didn't want anymore (the original UKIP supporters) used to enthusiastically campaign for UKIP and donate to the (lost)cause.
What we are basically looking at now, is how long it will take for UKIP's funds to dry out, also considering the vast amounts they spent leading up to the general election.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Where will the supporters go to now that the BNP is more or less defunct?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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