Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#1
The nearer the election got the more insignificant they became, one MP Farage resignation, is there any way back from this for them? Locally David Little fought a really strong campaign but still came up well short.
Audere est facere.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#2
I don't think they can go anywhere from here, as we know they would have got 82 MP's under proportionate representation giving them a lot of clout in parliament, but that is never going to happen. 4 million voters might stay with them but i cannot see them picking up many more. In my view they should make Suzanne Evans leader as she is clearly a cut above the others, also she would not rub people up the wrong way like Nigel Farage.
Reginald Barrington
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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#3
I would disagree about a strong campaign, he ran a campaign trying to pray on peoples fears and prejudices, regularly quoting the hundreds of people who he speaks to every week telling him that immigration is the biggest priority for Dovorians. Which is just not true.
With a bit of luck they will all climb back under their rocks!
Arte et Marte
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#4
You don't need to be in power to have a decisive impact on the political landscape. I think Farage focused the nation's attention on Europe and took a lot of labour votes away in marginal constituencies while at the last minute a lot of disaffected Tories had second thoughts and "came home".
Any kind of PR would strengthen the grip of the established parties over the political process. The basic problem with the political party model is that there is a tendency for policy to be dictated by the party oligarchy rather than being formulated from grass roots upwards. To my mind that's undemocratic.
Taxpayer funding of political parties is unacceptable. Funding of individual candidates' limited and clearly defined election campaign expenses would be acceptable and much fairer, coupled with a (low) legal cap on campaign spend. We should not have a situation where some candidates can influence the outcome by spending lots of money. Elections should be fought on ideas and issues, not the size of your advertising budget.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#5
UKIP doing very well at the Thanet council election count this morning.
Audere est facere.
Bob Whysman
- Registered: 23 Aug 2013
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#6
( Quote). Where do UKIP go from here? (Unquote)
The pub?
Do nothing and nothing happens.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#7
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#8
That's a good result. A Tory MP who is committed to reopening Manston and a council controlled by the only party committed to the same objective. If you live in Thanet, fasten your seat belt.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 664- Registered: 23 Mar 2008
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#9
If you want to know which party UKIP is taking most votes from, look no further.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#10
Personally, I'm saddened that happened in M. E. and P. but we move on and look to the future.
Roger
Guest 1391- Registered: 1 Nov 2014
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#11
Agree Roger, similar situation here in TH. Needs of the ward and district come first. Like PEVM, this ward is very busy, being a councillor is not just going to council meetings!
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#12
A European referendum wouldn't have been on the menu with out ukip.
I believe ukip cost Dover labour party the parliamentary job , by ripping chunks out of their core vote.
The labour party made a big mistake going to the country apposing giving the voters an EU referendum.
And I couldn't believe it when millipede rocks up and announced 3 weeks before an election ,he intended new laws stopping people from condemning Islam
This must have gone down well with white van man
,.
But the conservative's membership will need to work very hard lobbying, to stop Dave Cameron and his close followers from rigging the referendum vote.
Big things will be happening in Europe, we may see France go to Le pen in 2016 this could move radical changes in the EU parliament, and a new treaty vote .
On ukip locally some of the candidates may not have been appropriately matched to the voters in the target aria.
it's a bit difficult to dress up an old Tory activist in a ukip coat ,And stand them up in a working class aria as man of the people.
And I think Nigel farage stood in the wrong place.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#13
Nah nah nah .... UKIP peaked about two and a half years ago.
Then started going down.
UKIP had - and have - no policy on resolving the financial and monetary crisis.
Neither does any political party for that matter.
The public debt has doubled under the last coalition between 2010 and 2015 and is set to continue increasing at a rate way beyond inflation (currently 0%).
The average increase in the public debt is around 15-18% a year.
While my knowledge of economics has been widely underrated, I can assure you that simple maths will prove that the current financial system is heading for a collapse.
UKIP is heading nowhere because pub policies are not a sign of knowledge in economics.
UKIP is heading back to the pub, while the economy is heading for its final rendezvous with a 60 billion pounds per year interest rate on the public debt.
A massive part of the budget is used to repay government bonds and the interest. This is the reason why Greece went bankrupt already five years ago and is now witnessing the final phases of state bankruptcy.
It shall be no different for Britain.
Things are going to change, and big time.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#14
The master of brinkmanship is coming under fire over his resignation followed by resurrection.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#15
UKIP was all bluster.
On most issues they usually had policy A, and policy B, which was the exact opposite of A.
UKIP got 1 seat more than BNP, one seat more than Respect, one seat more than the Loony Raving Monster Party, and seven seats less than Nick Clogg's party.
RIP
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#16
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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#17
Nigel Farage simply hasn't got the charisma to stand up in a beer hall and make a fiery speech.
When confronted in a pub, he turns and bolts.
Napoleon, after returning from Elba, when confronted by a regiment sent by Luis to confront him, advanced alone towards the soldiers and, holding out his right arm, addressed them with these words: .....:)
They cheered and crossed over to him.
Nigel Farage drops his pint and runs through the back door.
His Little Englander policies and declarations of support for M. Thatcher make him appear like a third-rate civil servant trying to ingratiate himself with the boss.
The crowds want someone who stands up for a Big England, taunts the Establishment and calls out the rich to distribute their wealth to the poor of England.
Someone who will stand up and say: "England is bankrupt" and wave a piece of paper demonstrating this fact.
Wenn schon denn schon.
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#18
Sorry Alexander, that's complete rubbish.
Nigel is not a "Little-Englander", but wants a wider spread, especially as regards trade, trade with European companies and those around the world, including the Commonwealth.
I am a Conservative and always will be and will always vote for them, but I believe we need people like Nigel Farage in Parliament. There's too much nonsense going on now within UKIP; self-destruct if they're not careful, but all parties go through this at some time and will come through it I'm sure.
Roger
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
- Registered: 17 Dec 2014
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#19
Roger Walkden wrote:
I am a Conservative and always will be and will always vote for them,
Therein lies one of the biggest problems, party loyalty not loyalty to the people who voted them in. I personally want my politicians to stand up firstly for the voter then themselves and then the party.
Lots of miners will never vote conservative, hardly in the best interests of the country, each of us should balance self interest and the interests of the country when placing our 'X' regardless of the past.
Arte et Marte
Guest 653- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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#20
I served my local community (Maxton, Elmsvale and Priory) as well as I could over 12 years Reginald, it didn't matter whether they voted for me or not - I never inquired, nor should I have.
As far as I remember, there was only one problem I wasn't able to resolve satisfactorily for the person who raised it with me and there must have been hundreds of people I have helped, with all sorts of problems.
At any of the committees I served on, I didn't play party politics, only voted that way at full Council meetings and only if I agreed with whatever the point was. There isn't a "whip" system at DDC, not for the Conservatives and I can honestly say I have never been told how to vote.
I agree with you that many miners and their families won't vote Conservative and yet there has been more money gained for Coal-field Communities - through a (DDC) Conservative, than any Labour Councillor.
Roger
