howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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31 January 2010
19:2939255anything that encourages seperatism is another nail in the coffin of assimilation.
this is generally accepted across the board nowadays.
i would go one step further and ban religious schools or at least take away their state funding.
once we start telling children that they are different to other children then we are fostering anatagonism in them.
i go along with the french way totally in this.
31 January 2010
21:0339269Howard, as on so many things I think the French have it right.
From their law of 1905 establishing state secularism, all religious properties became the property of the state but are used by religious groups at no cost, whilst being maintained by the state.
This saves the dreadful position that we have in this country of charging people to walk around their great cathedrals as though they are visiting a minor country house.
The French law, whilst in leaving a dis-established church (a good idea IMHO) nevertheless operates in favour of 'traditional' religions (another good idea).
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31 January 2010
21:0839271Bob
unsure what the last part of your posting means;
does it mean it promotes one religion only
31 January 2010
21:1339272Keith. In essence (with a bit of a nod and a wink) it is biased in favour of religions prevalent in France before 1905 i.e. the various forms of Christianity and Judaism
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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31 January 2010
21:3839275in every day life though i.e schools and workplaces it is purely secular.
not many would argue with that.
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1 February 2010
08:4939296Keith said: """"rOGER
Who says mini skirts or any other clother is inappropriate>? surely its up to the individual?""""
Roger's point Keith is that a girl would not be allowed to wear a mini-skirt in places like Saudi, its the Saudi Government and religious authorities that would say its inappropriate. Tell me, would you think it appropriate for you to wear a mini skirt?
Roger was right that and end to so called multi-culturalism is needed and those who emmigrate here should integrate. That does not mean they should become christian, but adopt the dress, mores' and values of our society.
That said I repeat that the State banning a mode of dress, as such, is not right in a free country though as someone said there are circumstances/roles where the burka would be inappropriate and a dress code would be right.
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1 February 2010
11:5039311Roger
You're absolutely right, and I don't happen to believe in a multicultural Britain either - I believe that people who migrate here should take on a British way of life. In America, migrants have to take studies on the American way of life (whatever that's supposed to be!). I did actually use the phrase 'we live in a supposedly multicultural society', which is how the PC brigade would have us live, and disregard our own standards and the way we were brought up.
My point was one of tolerance of other people's beliefs, something I believe we in Great Britain are very poor at. Barry's point about having a dress code is in certain circumstances, I believe, valid. But I do think we have to show more tolerance of others. In the end I think it comes down to individual recognition of where you find yourself; in the Muslim countries we have visited Michelle has gone to great lengths to comply with their beliefs and dress appropriately; if only people coming here would acknowledge that Western beliefs are different and behave accordingly. That's why my point about the BA employee sacked for wearing a crucifix was made; this is still a Christian country and we should not allow discrimination against people from this country to be made by addled bureaucrats.
True friends stab you in the front.
1 February 2010
20:2839359It depends how you interpret "multicultural". Everywhere is multicultural, but if each respects the other and they all respect the host it isn't an issue. My kinsmen and women, the Irish, migrated all over the place! They took with them some beautiful music and traditions but never expected the host nation to adopt them, just enjoyed them quietly while working their a**es off to contribute to that society while supporting themselves. It is made easier if the host nation shares the culture to an extent, like the UK and Ireland sharing a form of Christianity. But even if there are differences (and believe me there are differences between Anglican and Catholic faiths even if they are Christian!!) they only become a flashpoint if there is less than acceptable respect between them.
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1 February 2010
20:3439360bern
Fully support your last post, on the Irish our very own Paulb I wouldn't think of telling him his dress offends.
Anyway even share parts of barryw post, no we don't want to get into dictating.
RESPECT bern thats the key
1 February 2010
20:4039362Keith, I am unable to show respect for any religion which subjugates its females and subscribes to views that most of civilization threw off in the middle ages.
TOLERATION is the key and that is as far as we should go.
1 February 2010
21:1539365MaggieSK, "decolletage, mini-skirts", impact on men etc., what can I say? We like you girls to brighten our day and so, should we be so PC as not to admit a pretty female (whatever age or size) is to be admired.
Okay, some will label me as a 'male chauvenist pig' (but most of them won't even know the meaning of the middle word, hurrumph), but I don't care, I enjoy the female form and if it's dressed to catch my attention who's fault is that?
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1 February 2010
21:3239368SID
Yep by our posting and how some would see you , looks ;ike your spot on how they see you
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 February 2010
22:0739376to pretend that males do not like looking at attractive females and vice verca would be going against nature.
nothing to do with lack of respect or chauvinism(thought that word got dumped back in the seventies).
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1 February 2010
22:5139387Quite right howard. We must stop being idiotically priggish and pc. Nothing nicer to look than an attractive young lady with a minimal clothing and nothing more horrible than an ugly one dressed the same!!! But then ugly and attractive are in the eye of the beholder...
1 February 2010
23:3939390Barry, I see that full body scanners are now introduced at both Manchester and Heathrow Airports in spite of protests that such scanners breach passengers' right to privacy.
Many security experts claim that looking at pictures of people naked will make no difference to security.
I am not willing to take that risk so shall carry on doing so............
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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1 February 2010
23:4539391good to know that there are still thoughtful people like yourself around bob.
2 February 2010
08:0939401Ha! I love it when men show their true colours. No, wait - they are too transparent not to, what am I thinking?! Actually, properly grown up women also enjoy looking at people of any gender if they are attractively packaged. Appreciating beauty isn't limited to sexual attraction. Sadly men, who tend to think with their trousers, often can't see the difference. Women are able to multi-task this easily.
PS - in Keiths post #49. I didn't knmow PaulB wore dresses???!!
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2 February 2010
08:2039403BERN
I was sworn to secrecy on paulb, please don't tell anyone else lol
2 February 2010
10:3339408Howard. Being a female myself i like admiring a bit of male eye candy nowt wrong in it most women do the same and lets face it all you guys look if a piece of totty walks past you if you were caught doing it or not! ;)
2 February 2010
10:3639409Bern. what Keith had failed to admit he is also known for enjoying clothing of a female nature.