howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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this is a very surreal thread split between syrian refugees and free movement for economic migrants across europe.
should be a separate one for the latter.
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true Howard.... should be
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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we will wait for kb to initiate one heike, his balanced views make a good thread starter.
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Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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I disagree with Chrissi's views.
Unless we find out the root cause of the war in Syria and who has been promoting the war there in the first place, ie through external aggression on the part of governments (already mentioned above) and jihadi British-passport holders travelling to Syria to join Al Qaeda , and explore all possibilities of helping Syrians in their own country, then we would end up taking in millions of refugees from Syria and perhaps half the world, with all the wars going on.
There is no reason why Britain has to take in Syrian refugges when these can be helped in their own country.
Of-course, if W. Hague is encouraging the Syrian rebels and terrorists to keep attacking Syrian towns and cities and villages, then these people end up leaving their country.
So I may assume that W. Hague is doing all this so as to deliberately create a situation whereby hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees end up in Britain permanently, living in council houses and receiving the weekly welfare cheque.
If there is a fire, put the fire out. Refer W. Hague to the relevant Tribunal in The Hague.
He is responsible for promoting war against a sovereign country in time of peace, without an official war in progress between Syria and Britain, and supplying the means to terrorists and insurgents to cause death, destruction and the suffering of millions of people.
Don't flush our Country out with millions of refugees!
Guest 1103- Registered: 3 Nov 2013
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Alexander, how would you feel to be one in a million refugee???
I guess you cant put yourself in the situation?
Shame you dont read through all the post. Maybe that made you stop and think first. You are writing about peoples life.
People s life which are on the line. As I stated before, UK is not the only country having these "Issues" everyone is having their shares, some more some less. It doesnt really matter as long it serves the purpose.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Contrary to your assertion, Heike, I did read all your post.
What other countries do in connection to taking in refugees is irrelevant to my point, namely that Syrian refugees should be given safe haven in Syria, and that W. Hague should cease and desist from encouraging insurgents to wage war in Syria and from supplying them with equipment to wage war in Syria.
This is the reason why millions of Syrians are refugees, namly some governments are sponsoring aggression against Syria.
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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If we gave in now and allowed governments to do what they want, rather than require Justice reaches even the highest place of human administration, then we too may one day become refugees.
Never surrender and always be defiant to government tyranny!
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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maybe the confederates should have done, after all they lost.
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"Never surrender and always be defiant to government tyranny!"
I think this is what a sizeable portion of the Syrian population has been doing, Alex. As a result they are being systematically hunted down and exterminated by Government forces. Neighbouring countries are totally saturated with Syrian refugees and do not have the basic infrastructure to deal with them - it's not just a matter of money.
I would have thought that you of all people, as a committed Christian, would want to extend the hand of friendship to some of these oppressed people. A powerful tip I was once given by a relative (who happens to be a former Catholic priest) is, when faced with a moral dilemma, to ask oneself: 'What would Christ have done?'
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Peter, you won't be thrilled to know that perhaps 700 jihadis from Britain are currently fighting for Al Qaeda in Syria, according to the French Intelligence, and as many Jihadis from France are there too, as stated recently in Britain by French President Monsieur Hollande.
The British PM disputed the numbers, downplaying them.
However, a Sky News article from about two months ago reported the presence of a whole Al Qaeda brigade from the UK fighting in Syria, whose members had stated, among other things, that the second most funds to Al Qaeda in Syria come from Britain.
Sky News noted at the time that the British Security were unaware of this brigade.
The British Government is hiding facts, downplaying numbers, occulting mortal dangers to our Society.
Just wait for these UK passport-holding jihadis to return (some already have) and then how things evolve here in Britain!
That with the hundreds of vulnerable Syrian refugees is just a smoke and mirrors ploy from a clueless government whose open support for the unpopular insurgency in Syria which the majority of Syrians loathe (contrary to your statement) is what encouraged so many UK-passport jihadis to go to Syria the first place, believing they it was approved by the British Government.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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you really haven't read upon this alex have you?
these are only genuine victims of torture, rape and other unpleasant things that are being rescued and given temporary visas here.
home grown jihadists are a completely different saucepan of fish and hopefully the authorities will be ready for them on return.
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I am fully aware what this is all about, Howard.
Evidently you would like to see me give in and "agree" to the current prevailing attempt from the commissars that make decisions for the United states of Europe, which is to inundate Britain and Western Europe with hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees.
Much more importantly, you fail to see into what I have clearly stated, that Syrian refugees can be sheltered in their own country until such time as they can return to their homestead (village, town, city) of origin. The British Government DOES NOT WANT THIS! It would mean peace returning to Syria because certain governments could not continue funding and sponsoring the insurgency war there.
The only one reason why they may be impeded being sheltered temporarily in, say, Damascus, which currently is not under siege, or other Syrian areas currently not under siege by insurgents and terrorists, is because foreign governments are purposefully supplying funds and weapons to these insurgents and terrorists to maintain maximum terror in Syria, with the aim of conquering the whole country.
For example, the Saudi regime (is it a"government"?), or the Qatari one, or, oh, the US or British leaderships.
If we followed the weird logic the commissars are trying to impose, the West should take in at least 15 million Syrians! The vast majority of Syrians are currently at risk of falling to an assortment of rebels and Al Qaeda terrorists.
To start solving the problem, we need to refer W. Hague to a Court of Justice.
Denounce the Saudi and Qatari regime, demand the Turkish government cease allowing the passage of weapons to the insurgents and terrorists, and help the Syrian State rebuild the destroyed houses and infrastructure.
If we followed the advice you are trying to bring over, this will go on, and on, and on, and the same New World Order people will do the same to other countries, and not only will millions of Syrians be - and remain - refugees, but tens and hundreds of millions more may become so too, wherever the same usual people in certain governments ignite and sponsor insurgency and uproar in whichever country they choose to pick on and bring down
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i somehow doubt that these elderly, maimed or tortured individuals will be jihadists.
politics and compassion are two very different things.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Most likely to be orphaned teenagers from the Christian minority, Howard.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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Peter
So should we have all the old people and the children from all the other war /disaster zones of the world to ?
Why is Syria so different ?
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Keith, Nige introduced the idea of importing millions of refugees to Britain from every war now and the future.
The same Farage that has scrapped the 5 year freeze policy on immigration and replaced it with a 50,000 skilled workers a year quota plus the extended family.
Nige has betrayed your basic core value to protect our Country from mass flooding of immigrants.
There's only one party, Keith!
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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76, no, we should not have them all. But we should have our fair share, the cost coming out of our foreign aid budget.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Nick Griffin BNP in one minute speech in EU parliament, Brussels, on real situation in Syria.
Something for Keith to take note of, as Nige UKIP has called for mass immigration of refugees from any war-torn country, including Syria, and is actually the UK politician who campaigned for - and obtained - the decision for what may become a mass influx of people from Syria and far, far beyond.
Brian Dixon
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alex,this might help,its ok its a audio book.so need to read but sit and listen instead.