Thousands of Syrian refugees coming to the UK
- 2 February 2014 16:13259724Peter Garstin wrote:I would not think it sparks extremism in the minds of decent right-thinking people. Again I am talking about genuine refugees, not economic migrants. Conflating the two issues is mischievous.
- 2 February 2014 17:01259727Hopefully your right ,and the wheels Won't come of the wagon,
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2504472/Fears-civil-unrest-Sheffield-locals-action-Roma-migrants.html - 2 February 2014 17:23259729The Government is doing a display of acrobatics and trying to pull out clean.
To start, the Syrian government and State institutions did not persecute Syrian citizens on account of their ethnic identity or their religious belief. As mentioned, they took in a great number of refugees from neighbouring countries, one of which had been visited by T. Blair's supremacist aggression (Iraq). Let's face it, about 1.5 million Iraqis fled their country as a result of the mayhem left behind by Blair. And hundreds of thousands of dead, and how many wounded and injured?
He lied to Parliament to achieve his aims. He still tries to justify his actions.
W. Hague went as far as openly encouraging the Syrian insurgents to continue their attacks against the Syrian armed forces and to continue bringing their war into urban centres. This may constitute incitement and encouragement to crimes against civilians.
It certainly is support for terrorists against a sovereign state and is contrary to International Law.
He went to Egypt shortly before Morsi got booted out of office and, within the context of the "Friends of Syria" group, encouraged the then Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood president, Mohamed Morsi, to get involved in the Syrian war.
Morsi immediately invited Egyptians to join the battle in Syria, and was soon thereafter ousted by the Egyptian military, with overwhelming public support, who saw the writing on the wall. Namely bloodshed, terror and destruction to the bitter end in Syria and probably in Egypt once hordes of Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood fighters would start returning from Syria.
Other members of the so-called "Friends of Syria" group, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, have from the start being supplying enormous sums of money and weapons via Turkey to supply rebels and terrorists fighting a sovereign country - Syria - so as to inflame the war and create horrendous, calculated suffering among the civilian population there.
Sorry, the culprits of the suffering of the Syrian refugees are sitting in Westminster and in several other government offices around the world.
Please address this issue and have them held to account.
Make them respond to charges, use their money to pay for aid to Syrian refugees, take it from their accounts, sell their houses and property to cover the expenses.Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 2 February 2014 17:35259735Alexander - Who did what, when or how is irrelevant to me. It is not the fault of these children that they are in the situation they are and they deserve any help we can give them in my honest opinion.
Keith - it must be correct if your read it in the Daily Fail.
[URL][/URL] - 2 February 2014 17:51259740So it's irrelevant to you, Chrissi, who caused the suffering of millions of Syrian children!
So what if they carry on causing more suffering to Syrian children? Will it still be irrelevant to you?
Is this Government policy? Well it would be, as the Government took part in creating the mass suffering in Syria.
It shouldn't be irrelevant to anyone seeking justice, though, and to people seeking to prevent it ever happening again, right!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 2 February 2014 18:02259742chrissi, the report in the mail was identical to the one in the guardian a few days later.
alex, we are talking about humanity not politics on this one, the only people we are taking in are the elderly, disabled and victims of rape/torture.
they are being given 3 year visas and most will want to return home once it is safe to do so - as has been stated in this thread they are not "herberts" looking to benefit financially. - 2 February 2014 18:39259744We will be approaches 8 billion people in the world ,we have war kicking of all over the planet ,needy deserving people all wonting to come.
At what point do we shut the doors ??
On other threads talk is of lack of housing plus infrastructure, the facts are the 2 must run in unison,
We will have over 70 millions in 15 years time!
http://www.eahdfoundation.org/world_live_clock.php - 2 February 2014 20:03259755I still don't understand why this wonderful caring government, or the previous one for that matter haven't tried to sort out the problems in Rhodesia, where (correct me if I'm wrong) a lot of the persecuted are entitled to a UK passport...
or...
Palestine, if you want to talk about atrocities being commited on a civilian population. - Brian Dixon
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2 February 2014 20:10259758thought of the day and for the rest of the week.
are uk citezens trurly british,dna can be traced to eastern Europe and the rest of Europe. - 2 February 2014 20:14259761Most (white) Rhodesians either went South, to Oz, some to Canada I understand and many came back to Britain. There are still a few whites there, but not that many. Most of the farmers were killed and land taken to lay waste. It used to be the larder for Southern Africa, now it's a basket-case.
My brother lived there for 20 years and came back just prior to the elections in 1980; he said Mugabe would win the election because he had a better terrorist organisation: he had then, he still has 34 years later. He has proved to be the worst African leader - ever.
Roger - 2 February 2014 22:12259779Howard, please don't attribute "politics" to my above posts, and I haven't called any Syrian refugees mentioned here as children or women "herberts" looking for benefits financially.
Peter, you state:
"This thread is about the rights and wrongs of allowing Syrian refugees to come here, not about economic migrants from the EU."
So what has yesterday's article in a newspaper about a Jewish refugee family from the 1930s got to do with this thread?
Do you pick and choose what people may write and what not, and then sway the arguments with irrelevant issues altogether?
I think the Syrian refugees should be cared for in countries near Syria, and that the root cause of the war in Syria and the causes of why millions of Syrians are fleeing, should be addressed: namely some governments, such as the Saudi and Quatari. supplying money and weapons to rebels and terrorists to wage war in Syria, with the participating backing of some Western governments.
We should not be bullied into accepting that a government in Westminster runs amok provoking and alimenting wars and then flooding us with refugees, who will no doubt be given permanent leave of stay along with hundreds of thousands of others.
Rather than "politics", this should come under "freedom of speech".
Too often, we have been screamed at, benevolently "dressed down" and misrepresented whenever we the average Brit stands up and speaks his mind.
Incidentally, Peter, seeing that you did mention a Jewish family coming to Britain in the 30s from Austria, in 1919 Britain gave Israel to the Jews to settle in, namely the Palestinian mandate.
It's unfortunate that some Marxist Jews confronted Mosley's men in London, who had been pacifically marching through some streets. If they hadn't, perhaps the Second World War would never have broken out. Millions of Jews - not too sure how many perished in WW II and by the hand of whom - would probably have still been alive in 1945.
What a crying shame!Chanters, Drums and Drones Potty Time http://youtu.be/99fMqpjnXYA
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Kent First http://youtu.be/04F3mAP3fV4 Keep banging on http://youtu.be/qYCU_SKmkGQ - 3 February 2014 02:25259780as I said in many previous post, UK is not alone with these Problems!! Dont always think its UK only, because you are wrong.
If you actually travel around the EU, instead of sitting at home and watching (the mainstream newschannel) then you are one of many who gets a daily brainwash. Dont always believe whats on the news.
Use your own mind for once and get facts. It does help to get a proper reality check
Besides with the EU become free to travel and settle fo many countries. You all should be grateful for this. As I know alot of english citizen travel and settle outside UK too. If they actually see,
what you are writing here in this Forum, they all would be too shocked.
Because without this gained freedom to settle in foreign countries, everything would stuck.
Technology, Economy & even Communication... everything still would be held back. Dont you know, Many foreign minds bring fresh ideas?? Why Companies always employ new Employees, because they come from different walks of life, with different ideas and different qualifications. Its nothing wrong with it. As many of your fellow citizen will tell you happily.
Stop moaning for people coming over in the search for a better Life. I am sure if you would be in their position, you be the first in line to go !!!
Thats it from me again... :)
Oh and I am happy with different views, which makes sense. :)Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎 - 3 February 2014 02:48259782Heike, come visit a Kent salad factory, a farm, any warehouse or the Thanet greenhouse complex or whatever, and you'll see that almost all workers are Eastern European only.
Then visit a job centre and encounter the unemployed Brits.
British politicians have betrayed the British People, they are traitors tout curt.
Their cheap-labour policies serve self-righteous employers of galley mentality, they have sacrificed the Brits to the scrapheap and are busily supplanting us with a new population called the mass-immigrants population.
Some people live in blatant denial, however these must be the readers of the Guardian.
If you want to get a job here in a factory, you must speak Polish.
If you want a job picking crops and don't speak Romanian or Bulgarian, just forget it!
Do you think I was born yesterday? Do you know Kent better than me?
I wish to kindly tell the EU idiots in Brussels in their silly parliament there that their tyranny and New World Order disease has been sussed out and will come to an end.
Did you hear about the recent decision of the silly non-elected house of lords to deny an in/out EU referendum?
Well Cameron probably knew it all along. They're all in it together.
I'm just listening to Erika. Great song! Love it!
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3 February 2014 05:24259785heike,well said.
but saying I have tried to say the thing as you,banging yoir head against a brick wall is better.these people who bang on about migrants are set in there ways and will not change. - 3 February 2014 09:58259807Six members of my family work at Tilmanstone Salads. They are white British.
- 3 February 2014 10:34259812Six members of my family work at Tilmanstone Salads. They are white British. ,,on low pay
- 3 February 2014 14:03259825and even if it is low pay but they take pride in their work KeithB. I would see you working for 1 Euro an hour, surely you would not do this. Thats what Germany pays out to companies for People in longterm unemployment. STOP complaining, you got Minimum Wage in Britain, other Countries dont have. They have qualification such as Hairdressers etc and go home with a monthly wage, well under the minimum wage.
It looks to me, that you have never been a victim of Economy, otherwise you wouldnt make such wild comments.Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎 - 3 February 2014 14:35259828Alexander D wrote:So it's irrelevant to you, Chrissi, who caused the suffering of millions of Syrian children!
Who did what, when or how is not a method of emergency relief and support to those suffering the hardship through no fault of there own. When there is a flood or an earthquake or other disaster we do not wait to find out the why's and wherefores, we just help as people are desperate.
@ - #52 Heike list your comment ''instead of sitting at home and watching (the mainstream newschannel) then you are one of many who gets a daily brainwash. Dont always believe whats on the news.
Use your own mind for once and get facts. It does help to get a proper reality check''' ... Very well said!!
@ Brian Dixon - #54 I am happy to provide some cushioning so that banging your head against the wall is more bearable - Brian Dixon
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3 February 2014 14:47259830its ok chrissi,i have got used to it now.have got hard skin and armour plating on my forehead.
- 3 February 2014 15:22259834 thanks Chrissie & Brian :)
sometimes I do reflect on my own post, just to check my spellings lol how sad am I ??Try to be a rainbow in someone's cloud. Maya Angelou ☺🌈🌄🌌🌏🌍🌎