Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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howard mcsweeney1 wrote:Rubbish Ray the thread is about UKIP and not the other parties, looks like you are trying to stir.
Not at all Howard, you quoted an irrelevant part from one party's constitution, I quoted the relevant parts from three to show there's nothing unusual in what is happening in the UKIP selection process, or in the Conservatives in reference to the Bob Frost thread, or to the events in Labour selections in Deal that have also been mentioned on here.
Just trying to be fair to all the relevant main players.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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You could also use the example of the chinese democratic process currently happening regarding the Hong Kong selection of a candidate. Surely not the right path for a party dedicate to democracy?
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Guest 977- Registered: 27 Jun 2013
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Totally irrelevant Reginald - the UK parties I have quoted have constitutions agreed by their members and if you join them you agree to abide by those (unless you follow Vic's example) but you could work from inside the party to modify them, that's democratic.
China has nothing to do with this.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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As much as labour or conservative policy when the discussion is about ukip, and specifically ukip when allegedly they want stand up for true democracy!
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Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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And as to working from the inside to change is that not what keith and the other members are doing but being overruled by autocracy?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Let us forget Ray's friends and get back to the thread. Keith points out that the parliamentary candidate was chosen by all paid up members, one vote each.
The chosen candidate with two cohorts then decides who stands for the council!!
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Change in tack locally since Mr Morris came on board?
Audere est facere.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Even by the standards of this forum, I have never read so much misinformation and blatant lies.
Lets be clear, THESE are the facts.
The D&D branch followed guidelines as set out by the County Chairman that the branch chairman should be responsible for the selection of candidates, this is what happens in all ukip branches and were the guidelines we followed which have been scrutinised and approved.
1 or 2 may not agree with that procedure, which is their prerogative.
Not for the first time McSweeney, who also erroneously claims to have attended Dover Grammar School, is happy to stir the pot and expose himself once more as somebody with not the vaguest interest in the truth of facts. For example he states:
The chosen candidate with two cohorts then decides who stands for the council!!
Absolute, unadulterated nonsense.
Is it any wonder this forum is so poorly supported?
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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So who is choosing the candidates David?
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Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Reginald (or whoever you are) you can obviously read but you struggle with comprehension.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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David you're happy to call people liars yet are unable answer a simple question. Who will select the Dover District Council ukip candidates?
Arte et Marte
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Its written above in plain English.
Why not come along to a meeting? You seem very interested in ukip locally.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Maybe but not if you're going to keep repeating yourself for effect.
The D&D branch followed guidelines as set out by the County Chairman that the branch chairman should be responsible for the selection of candidates. It says should be responsible doesn't say they did.
so who did select was it the branch Chairman?
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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How can I claim to have attended Dover Grammar School if i lived in London?
The bus fares would have been prohibitive.
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Its on your facebook page, are you suggesting somebody else completed your profile?
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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Very unedifying to see a local party washing its dirty laundry in public.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 714- Registered: 14 Apr 2011
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Quite Peter, lets not let the facts get in the way.
That's the wonderful thing about the internet (especially those with pseudonyms) the easiest thing is to leave misinformation unchallenged.
The truth, regardless of how its dressed up, will always be the truth.
Guest 943- Registered: 15 May 2013
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Happy New Year Everyone.
I have just had Jamie Rose on the phone asking me what is going on..
Keiths' work of fiction has excited the local papparazi. Just to say, you do not know the end of the story till the final page.
Have you noticed, all you hear is UKIP,every minute of the day. 18 months ago it was UKIP who?
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Post 28 is wrong so is post 38,Why? (1)The Dover Forum is well supported look at the other local forums and you can see this one is well out in front of all the others,
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Also there should be no one person as head of a branch it is the members that vote in a committee and a chairman, the chairman is NOT the leader at the AGM they are revoted in or out by the members the chairperson has a casting vote and keeps order at a meeting that that is all.
Post 38 you know only to well that the branch in Dover was very good with membership going up but then we had two committee members died and they were very good at what they done the only reason the branch closed was I could not find a replacement for them.
Ukip in Dover like other branch,s in the UK are doing a lot better only because overnight UKIP had a big uplift owing to what was going on with the other party,s in power,So do not think it is the work that any one branch has done.