Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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I think both major parties should be worried
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Guest 1881- Registered: 16 Oct 2016
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:So Labour increases its number of local councillors and produces its best local election performance in London since 1971, whereas the Tories, despite apparently picking up all the UKIP plague votes (and despite the corporate media's helpful Corbyn- and Russophobia) lose 33 seats and 2 councils, a performance that was worse than the last direct comparison in 2014 (when Cameron did 'badly' according to the Torygraph), and the embarrassment is Labour's? Only someone who could spin us into a war on Iraq could come up with such a squint-eyed opinion.
As if your point needed amplifying...
So, Alastair Campbell is not impressed with Labour's return in the Local Elections, let's just do a little comparison:
Labour Gains/Losses:
2018: +77
Whilst Alastair was working for Labour:
1998: -88
1999: -1,161
2000: -568
2001: 0
2002: -334
2003: -833
TOTAL LOSSES: -2,984
Just because you don't take an interest in politics doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you. PERICLES.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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That's what usually happens to the party in government at local election time only not under Corbyn's watch! I wonder why?
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Paul M- Registered: 1 Feb 2016
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Indeed. It would be interesting to see the Conservative gains/losses whilst they were in opposition. That would provide a better comparison.
Reginald Barrington- Location: Dover
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Corbyn just keeps on bucking the trends!
Cons labour
2018 -33 +77
2017 +563 -382
2016 -48 -18 Corbyn takes the helm
2015 +541 -203 general election
2014 -236 +324
2013 -335 +291
2012 -405 +823
2011 +86 +857
2010 -121 +417 general election
2009 +244 -291
2008 +257 -331
2007 +932 -255
2006 +316 -319
2005 +152 -114 general election
2004 +288 -464
2003 +566 -833
2002 +238 -334
2001 +120 -0 general election
2000 +256 -464
1999 +121 -1161
1998 +256 -88
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SWWood- Location: Dover
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The Bishop wrote:As if your point needed amplifying...
So, Alastair Campbell is not impressed with Labour's return in the Local Elections, let's just do a little comparison:
Labour Gains/Losses:
2018: +77
Whilst Alastair was working for Labour:
1998: -88
1999: -1,161
2000: -568
2001: 0
2002: -334
2003: -833
TOTAL LOSSES: -2,984
In the 1995 local elections, the Tories, after 16 years in government, lost over 2,000 seats, mostly to Tony Blair's Labour. Strange that you missed that one, I think it was the year Labour took control of DDC.
Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
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My understanding of Bish's post is that he is clearly referring to the figures 'whilst Alastair was working for Labour.' I take this to mean 'whilst Alastair was doctoring for Labour', i.e. from 1997 to 2003 when he was, first, Press Secretary and then Director of Communications. In other words, whereas Campbell talked up Labour's poor results under Blair, he talked down Labour's decent results under Corbyn. Which is exactly what you would expect of someone with zero objectivity and plenty of ideological reasons to seek to undermine Corbyn.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Mr Corbyn will never get to number 10 as a PM the blues will get in again and then the reds will give Mr Corbyn the push.And I do not even vote for ANY party.
SWWood- Location: Dover
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Weird Granny Slater wrote:My understanding of Bish's post is that he is clearly referring to the figures 'whilst Alastair was working for Labour.' I take this to mean 'whilst Alastair was doctoring for Labour', i.e. from 1997 to 2003 when he was, first, Press Secretary and then Director of Communications. In other words, whereas Campbell talked up Labour's poor results under Blair, he talked down Labour's decent results under Corbyn. Which is exactly what you would expect of someone with zero objectivity and plenty of ideological reasons to seek to undermine Corbyn.
Campbell was one of the pioneers of the "New Labour" brand, and a huge strategic influence on Blair from the beginning in 1994. You cannot ignore his influence in the election results leading up to and including the 1997 GE. He has every right to point out that Labour under Corbyn are not producing the sort of result Blair did before the 1997 election. The 1995 election results showed that Labour was heading for government. It was the sort of result Corbyn has been unable to get close to replicating.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Poster 28 has every right to post what he likes, he says he doesn't vote so shouldn't bother him what the outcome is and of course by not voting he will partly be the cause of any outcome.
Post 29
Of course anyone that read blairs book will know he out everything in place to get to number 10
of course he was helped by the most unpopular of tory govts
but he helped to get rid of/promote doing away with clause 4
he wouldn't agree to repeal anti trade union laws
he made sure he appealed to middle England.
the sad thing was he got lots of peoples expectations up, but didn't deliver.
still that's politics I suppose
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Dover Town Council is about to have a change in administration and hopefully we will see a council become democratic under it's leadership
As I stated I will work with all 3 parties with anyone that pushes for a better Dover
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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The only thing the Dover parish town council can do to help Dover is give up and hand it over to D,D,C Which is the only local council with power.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I might just add if that happen there would be a saving of over 1million pounds per year and just maybe sell off some of the Gold they hold and paintings which the public do not see anyway. and they also are big land owners.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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unlike poster 33
I believe in local decision making
as local as possible
I realise he didn't make a difference in his unelected positions
But hopefully decisions can be made locally and run in the interests of Dover
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Rubb ish from the post above.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Vic Matcham wrote:Rubb ish from the post above.
Always good to see constructive criticism.
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Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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I put up for the seats if no one comes forward that is nothing to do with me.
Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
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Correct Vic. You were duly accredited.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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Thank you sir
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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No one in a r ight mind would put up for so many seats, it's impossible to find the time to serve one ward let alone that many, it did many wards a did service but that's democracy
but getting back to DTC as that's more important
We are now moving towards a Labour administration who have replaced a tory/independent one
now if you care about democracy, then decisions I still believe should be at the most local area possible.
Everyone will be watching to see if Labour locally are to be a democratic in it's outlook , or just continue the previous administrations undemocratic processes.
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