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To be fair, he wants a Customs union with the EU. Quite why he prefers this to a Free Trade Agreement, I have no idea.
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Brian Dixon
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zero tarrifs button moon.
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...Which an FTA delivers, plus the ability to have zero tariffs with other countries - even when the EU doesn't want to!
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Jezza stuck between a rock and a hard place with the strong likelihood of MPs breaking away and forming a new party, would be even more interesting if the same happened to the Tories.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/10/what-is-going-on-in-jeremy-corbyns-labourCaptain Haddock
- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,299
Does this mean we have an election coming?! If the Mail on Sunday feels it necessary to go in full guns blazing....
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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I can never see the point of them going Corbyn bashing as their readers do not vote Labour anyway and I don't believe a General Election is imminent with Mrs May as leader unless she decides to exact revenge against her errant MPs and ministers. I think the Tories are banking on leaving the EU next month then replacing her with a credible leader and then call for a vote some time in the Summer.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Recent polls show that the Tories are leading comfortably with YouGov who correctly predicted the result last time saying the Tories would get a clear majority if an election were held now. Jezza refusing to back a second Referendum has alienated his young supporters.
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Jan Higgins
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I would have thought Corbyn by his overall silence about Brexit until quite recently will have alienated a lot of his not so young supporters, a bit late in the day to suddenly wake up he should have been shouting from the start of the negotiations.
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Paul M- Registered: 1 Feb 2016
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Taking Brexit out if the equation, Corbyn alienates most people aged over thirty with his mostly ridiculous policies. There is no effective opposition whilst he is in charge and any half decent leader would, in the current climate, be at least ten points ahead in the opinion polls. A lost opportunity for the Labour Party.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
- Posts: 23,940
I don't care about Brexit, not if Corbyn and ms. abbott could turn barrels of water in to wine [ red of course.]
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Jan Higgins wrote:a bit late in the day to suddenly wake up he should have been shouting from the start of the negotiations.
But that would have exposed the fractures in the Labour Party both in MPs and supporters who are as equally split on 'Brexit' as the Conservatives are.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Captain Haddock wrote:But that would have exposed the fractures in the Labour Party both in MPs and supporters who are as equally split on 'Brexit' as the Conservatives are.
Partly true but the Tories have been split for decades over the issue and Labour have only really come to blows over it since the Referendum campaign. A good example is that Jezza has never spoken in any debate about EU treaties or further integration, simply voting against each time. I can never understand why his younger supporters expected any different from him, just a look at his Wikipedia entry would have told them his views.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Jezza will get his way and get rid of dissenters one by one until all his chosen candidates are in place and the party unelectable.
https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-a-labour-party-split-now-looks-inevitable-11635915Judith Roberts likes this
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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Interesting read from the Speccie here :-
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/the-corbyn-crack-up/
Perhaps the most revealing line about the Left's present modus operandi is ' The far left is doing what it has done throughout its history: making life so unbearable for those who disagree with it that they give up and walk away'.
Certainly this would appear to be what is happening in the local Labour Party if you talk to ex-Labour Councillors on DDC who now make up the 'Progressive Alliance'.
"We are living in very strange times, and they are likely to get a lot stranger before we bottom out"
Dr. Hunter S Thompson
Weird Granny Slater
- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
- Posts: 3,066
I bet they think the song is about them, don't they?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47278902'Pass the cow dung, my dropsy's killing me' - Heraclitus
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Very telling comment from Angela Smith.
Smith says she comes from a working class background, and that most people are like her family - they do not want to be patronised by left-wing intellectuals, who think being poor and working class constitutes a state of grace, but a fair crack at the whip and an opportunity to succeed.
Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
- Posts: 13,876
Is this the beginning of the end of present day Labour or simply a small blip.
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Paul Watkins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 9 Nov 2011
- Posts: 2,226
Mike Gapes was known to you Howard ? Is this the MP you knew & does he have form?
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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Good memory Paul, he managed to out Neil(wet fish) Thorne in 1992 and then set about turning it into a safe Labour seat. Quite cunning really, he spent most of his time helping local business people get "family members" from the sub continent into the country to work in their Chaat houses and sweat shops. In return said business persons instructed their community to vote for him at election time, probably unrelated but he did like his exotic holidays.