Guest 656- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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Keef, if only it was that simple, the world would be a better place for sure
Keith Sansum1
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its something we should all strive for#
sadly we have some posters quite happy to see the divide get wider
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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the gap between rich and poor has steadily risen since the second world war and there seems no great desire to stop this carrying on.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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At the top you are correct howard, those that can make a difference don't appear to want to
that said we should strive to do so
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Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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"At the top."
Such striving is only an allusion (I did for a moment wonder if I should have written 'illusion', but no.) while our world is spoken of in these terms.
The phrase only serves to concrete the speaker at the bottom of all that it is possible to be. It is something of an (Oliver) Twist on the reality. The reality is that the superior weapon lies close at hand for each and all to use, it simply needs picking-up.
The weapon in question is of course the Vote.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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indeed vote those out that are happy for the situation to remain
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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The Liberty takers..........One tax avoidance scheme,two thousand wealthy investors and £ 1.2 Billion kept out of reach of the
taxman........Anne Robinson is one of the investors in the so called Liberty tax strategy,which enables investors to escape
income tax by paying 7p in the pound in fees,to use the Jersey based scheme to avoid tax on about £ 4 million.
Aggressive tax avoidance by individuals costs the Nations Economy £ 4.5 Billion every year says HMRC.................
Tax avoidance Johnnies damage the Nations economy,they just help elite greedy pigs.......and themselves........
Guest 655- Registered: 13 Mar 2008
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High taxing governments damage the economy by incentivising people to take advantage of such schemes to protect their assets. Good luck to them as long as they do not break the law. Its their own money and they can do whatever they legally want with it. You will never eliminate this as those able to take advantage of them are the most mobile and financially savvy.
A friend of mine, an accountant who develops such schemes has had a massive boost to his business as a result of the publicity such tax saving schemes have been given by the likes of Reg.
Once again - if you want to eliminate such schemes the way to do it is to simplify the tax regime around low flat taxes and the revenue receipts will increase while boosting economic activity. Only accountants then will suffer and I certainly have no problems with that!
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Can it be that the Optician is next door to the flower seller?
'To earn.' Is not the sole route to wealth. A flat/fair tax system may well broaden the path of righteousness, but it will not curb the desire to travel an already commodious carriageway.
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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i have read that a few times now tom and can still not fathom out what you are saying.
Guest 710- Registered: 28 Feb 2011
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Universal Benefits(UB), the new buzz-term for one answer to our Nation's prayers.
Accenture(UK) Ltd. Which employs the firm's British staff, is paid many millions of pounds to help with the IT on this UB project.
Of the £2bn 'earnings' annually (much of from the British taxpayer) the company does not hold on to much of the money. By the time it has paid out it's expenses and unspecified "cost of sales", out of £1.67bn it is left with a sum that 'attracts' only about £3m in tax, less even.
All of this is possible because of a 'neat' tax avoidance scheme set up a couple of years ago, in which the Accenture Group transferred it's "intellectual property" from Switzerland to an Irish subsidiary - moved tax-free by dog-legging it through Luxembourg. In Ireland the company gets long term tax relief for the £7bn costs of buying the intellectual property.
What I am saying, Howard, is that fiddling with tax rules is unlikely to drive such companies, who rely largely on public money, to give a hoot about the lesser beings that pay them.
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Guest 696- Registered: 31 Mar 2010
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Interestingly, the first people to introduce a taxation system were the Athenians, about 2,600 years ago.
They had various tax rates, and these were all based on an individual's wealth, not on their earnings.
The lowest tax rate was zero.
Above that, the more land a person possessed, the more tax they paid, regardless whether it was cultivated or not, or how it was cultivated. Tax wasn't calculated in percentage of earnings, but in drachmas per measure of land.
If the Athenians didn't introduce a flat tax, then this can only mean that flat tax is nothing to take into consideration. What they essentially had was a wealth-based tax. These are the same people who conceived democracy.
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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a bit different today alex, the really mega wealthy in greece pay hardly any tax at all.
Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Ofgem warns of power cuts in 2015.........
If, as our right wing tories keep telling us the Bankers and rich will depart the UK,if they are
forced to pay their `justifable` Tax bill,.....leave the UK in their droves....the last one out will not
have to switch the light out........there already off.........
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Yes look at the problems selling off the silverware
do we have many british companies (large) anymore
UK looking in a right mess
and leader less
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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Chairman of the Public a Accounts Committee stated last night the names of those who invest in aggressive Tax
avoidance schemes should be made public.
The Chairman added ``A Tax Register``would deter people from entering artificial....,albeit legal.....Tax schemes,which cost the
HMRC £ 4.5 Billion........should name the Financial Johnnies that do it for them as well.......
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Could that could be a real eye opener looks like the net is closing in
they will still wriggle though
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Brian Dixon
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at least the goverment cant blame this on the unions can they.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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it will be everyone elses fault brian
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Guest 716- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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With this Government it will not be the Ministers fault.....