Bloody hell. Of course not Keith - but where there is knowledge what is the point of denying it? I couldn't, for the life of me, change a tyre. It would be frankly stupid of me to refuse to listen to someone who can if I have a flat!!!!!!!!!!!
Keith Sansum1
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we have had 900 posts many of whom are and have listerned to others,
your sounding as though only your postings are correct, which is far from a fact
but interesting none the less
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I am not talking about me. Jeez.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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post 891 amongst others give a different impression.
but hey, its great to have all these views even when they differ
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howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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there will always be those who project a supposedly great knowledge in order to belittle others.
i am past the stage of buying anything from snake oil salespersons or chaps down the market selling genuine rolexes for a tenner.
nigerian princes are next on my list.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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you rfealy shouldn't talk of bsarryw thatv way lol
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There does seem to be a real resistance to people with expertise on this thread, and no I am not talking about me - not claiming any great insights, just a bit of work experience. I refer really to the original misunderstanding about risk assessments that spiralled into a somewhat surreal event. Some people simply did not understand what they were for, and why should they? We all have our own areas of expertise. But because there was a misunderstanding about their purpose those people - who had latched onto the risk ax as possible evidence of sharp practice although they are nothing of the sort - were vitriolic about people who tried to explain them. I think that is how some of the threads - and indeed some posters - behave. If something that has been identified, rightly or wrongly, as evidence to support a particular view is then opened to scrutiny and found wanting, there is a venom-packed response. It is doing the exact opposite of what Keith seems to want and I would support - an open conversation with differing views. I know I have learned a great deal in that way on this forum, but the aggressive way some threads develop does not support that. I expect I am also in that loop!
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# 905.
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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BERN;
Of course that requires a reply.
ALl of my posts are to encourage posting.
but what i wont do is just sit back and allow a one sided argument/discussion.
We have to accept that we have differing views on the forum and we wont always agree whether that be risk assesments, the fox, the rich or whatever
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I do accept that Keith and I have no idea why you persist in thinking otherwise. I also have the right to express my views, and actively enjoy hearing others, it has enabled me to learn much. And Reg, having insight, experience or expertise and sharing it is not a belittling exercise unless one feels the need to see it as such. Sharing expertise and ideas is the best way to develop ideas and grow - stifling that, or ignoring it, is the polar opposite.
I do not always - or even often! - agree with BarryW but I enjoy his views and have learned a great deal from him. I do feel he is at times unfairly lambasted for trying to share.
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BERN;
You(like any poster) have a right to post(at no point have i said otherwise, in fact i'm one that encourages all, from all walks of life)
problem comes when a view may be pressed on an issue that a particular poster doesn't understand, often this view comes when disagreements come into being
but who knows who's right
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OK, last try. If someone doesn't understand something, it is a perfect opportunity to gain an understanding if there is somene who can explain it. Explaining it is not an attempt to belittle or patronise. The great strength of DF is the diversity of experience and culture within. It is in fact not a problem if there is an open conversation, it is only when that is shut down by people persisting in seeing open conversation as belittling that it becomes frankly boring.
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BERN;
I'm not sure where your last posting comes from.
your original disagreement with reg's view on parts of his posting is where much of this comes from.
of course on the other side reg has a great deal of expertese which you often decline to recognise.
all of that said and as i keep saying im happy to hear from everyone whether they think they are an expet or not.
all posters we can learn from.
lifes about learning and iv learnt a lot from the many varying views on this forum.
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"No man is an island."
If there are such who think differently:-
-Their island must be an impractically small one. One that cannot, clearly, sustain life. In and of itself. The instant there is room to move upon their island and the moment they feel the slightest need for anything other than themselves it would be obvious that 'one' cannot sustain oneself.
- "There is none so blind as those who will not see." Even if some yet continue to delude themselves and see the waters that surround them as God's gift to sustain them. They must still concede that the 'bounty' of that ocean must be caught and processed and cooked and served and cleared away.
I am certain that any who have far more than others could not maintain the folly of thinking themselves 'blessed' and thereby entitled to hoard such wealth unto their 'island-self' unless they were actively encourage to do so.
And yet, with all this chatter, we have not travelled far. For we are back to the point of 'legal' and 'illegal' as far as abstracting wealth from an economy is concerned.
Things are the way they are ONLY because we allow it to be so.
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
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TOM;
There is nothing i disagree with in your post, the thing is how do we change it
or do we want to
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#914. I think most people would find common ground in that, in an ideal social system, 'immoral' should equal 'illegal', at least where taxes are concerned. Try extending that principle into other spheres of life, however, and we enter a whole new set of minefields.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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peter'tom/bern/all
we are living in a society now of more and more unfairness.
now the reasons for this are many.
now we can accept that im alrght jack pull up the ladder(which i and others could do) but i have an inbuilt belief in fairness.
we dont have this at this time
sadly i dont think we ever will
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ALL!
The ONLY thing holding us back is YOU!!
These Seminar Motivational Speakers do not get everything wrong: "Whether YOU think it is possible or not YOU are right."
Ignorance is bliss, bliss is happiness, I am happy...to draw your attention to the possible connectivity in the foregoing.
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Fairness is a great concept but very woolly. Equality is also a great thing to strive for; but as we are all different we can never all be truly equal and there will always be those who are 'more equal than others'. Equality of opportunity is the best we can hope for; equality of outcome is only possible in N Korea. Equality of opportunity is based on universal, free, compulsory education, and universal healthcare.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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tom;
if you say so
sure to someone tht means something
but i do hope you have a nice day
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