Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#21
Fairness to me is what seems reasonable to a reasonable person, simple man with simple views.
Audere est facere.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#22
Like, capital punishment for murder. Half of the country think that's fair, the other half don't. All are reasonable people. See my point?
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
Guest 715- Registered: 9 Jun 2011
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#23
The view either way is reasonable, a court of law will have found someone guilty of murder, to murder someone is not reasonable.
Audere est facere.
Guest 698- Registered: 28 May 2010
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#24
And the law holds that judicial execution is not murder, but lawful killing.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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#25
It may surprise you Peter but I believe the death penalty should be an option when sentencing a murderer, the murderers of Lee Rigby for instance. Of course Judicial execution cannot be murder.
Audere est facere.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#26
All this still doesn't getaway from the fact that Miliband, is so out of step with the reality of the real world ,that his proposed solution to the zero hours contract is so naïve
Is this man fit to govern a country, when this is the best he can come up with?
PS. Hang them and save some cash.
Keiths reg and tom ,,all runway because I proved them all wrong
Brian Dixon
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#27
kieth,have seen the price of rope lately.
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#28
#25, comes as no surprise Martin, you are obviously a reasonable man from your posts. I was merely illustrating how difficult it is to pin down a definition of fairness. The zero hours debate is another example.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
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#29
executing the murderers of lee rigby would have been counter productive, recruiting more martyrs to the cause.
i rather the idea of them spending the rest of their lives cooped up with the lowest of the low who will not even know or care who they are.
i have already forgotten their names as i would imagine most other people have which will hurt them even more. by the time they reach paradise all the best virgins will have been taken.
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#30
Howard, given the number of recent martyrs they must have started to recycle the virgins by now.
I'm an optimist. But I'm an optimist who takes my raincoat - Harold Wilson
howard mcsweeney1- Location: Dover
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#31
i have a better idea peter, just simply point out that anne widdicombe is one and the recruiting will suddenly dry up.
Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
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#32
so non virgins then.
Guest 1260- Registered: 29 Apr 2014
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#33
Watched an interesting discussion on Newsnight about Miliband's proposals. All sides agreed that it gave employers plenty of 'wriggle room', and the head of UNISON (which represents care workers) didn't hide her disappointment, referring to the proposals as 'modest' or 'very modest', and 'a first step'. Interesting that Clair Hawkins has been trumpeting that Labour will 'end zero-hours contracts', but the new proposals fall very far short of that.
Meanwhile, Farage has been headlining that he, too, is against zero-hours contracts in many instances.
Point is that all parties have to do a balancing act in order to try and retain the advantages of zero-hours re flexibility of working and keeping unemployment down (zero-hours is a major factor in keeping UK unemployment far below that of the average on the continent), whilst trying to cut down on abuses.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#34
We have try years for the forty hr week basic and then overnight it has gone the other way.Its not a working class world its back to the middle ages.
Guest 649- Registered: 12 Mar 2008
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#35
Soon it will be back to sunrise to sunset.
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#36
Thatcher's Briton.
And me agreeing with Vic for ones
Guest 745- Registered: 27 Mar 2012
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#37
If your working in a factory on zero hours contract and theirs a stoppage of some sort, the workers will be expected to sit in the canteen on no wages.
If working in a restaurant, with no customers ,the workers could see them selves standing around on no wages
If this is happening all the time, and the workers tell the boss to stick his crap job, they will have technically sacked them selves, and will not be entitled to unemployment benefits.
This contract is very different to part time working, that a student will be requiring for study, or a surgeon agreeing to cover hospital A E on a flexi basis.
I am self employed so do not get paid if not working,
If a business is such a crap business that it cannot deal with the ups and downs of trade, it deserves to go down, and make way for better company's
I keep money back to cover me when I am pricing work, or not in work ,
Other business should do the same to cover staff wages in the low times of the business.
Many businesses are already getting subsidised workers on the taxpayers, with tax's credits.
I think eddy Miliband is suffering from silver spoon syndrome, no grasp of the reality for workers.