Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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Agree, ignore media. Then when you're on jury service you won't need the direction.
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Pablo- Registered: 21 Mar 2018
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Our friend Sardine would probably disagree with you, WGS! Perhaps he’s a member of the Fourth Estate?
Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
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Captain Haddock wrote:Jury SHOULD be directed to ignore media. Always have been.
Not valid. The media have only relayed the proceedings. CURRENTLY we still live in a free democracy.
Button- Location: Dover
- Registered: 22 Jul 2016
- Posts: 2,889
Let's not get hung up on this; the jury deliberates exclusively on that which has been put to them in court and ignores anything out of court - no matter how accurate and factual the reporting.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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Pablo wrote:Our friend Sardine would probably disagree with you, WGS! Perhaps he’s a member of the Fourth Estate?
Maybe so; surely only an interested party (or a fool) could believe the media is some kind of clear window on the world. More like, at best, frosted glass, at worst, a square of plywood.
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Weird Granny Slater- Location: Dover
- Registered: 7 Jun 2017
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Adjourned until 10am tomorrow. I guess it's back to the jury room for a third day.
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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If anyone thinks the national press won't influence
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
- Posts: 2,158
Well, that's in then. Clearly the jury were unable to reach a verdict purely on the facts. Or so some of the contributors on here would have us believe.
Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
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The inmates are waiting for you Mr Elphicke
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ray hutstone wrote:Clearly the jury were unable to reach a verdict purely on the facts. Or so some of the contributors on here would have us believe.
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Brian Dixon- Location: Dover
- Registered: 23 Sep 2008
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Keith Sansum1- Location: london
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Will he get put inside??
His political career must be over
His marriage may not survive
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Ross Miller- Location: London Road, Dover
- Registered: 17 Sep 2008
- Posts: 3,680
As a convicted felon his political career is over, further he will now have to register as a convicted sex offender with his local police within 3 days of the decision. Depending on his sentence he will have to register for a minimum of 2 years.
As for his marriage, I think that was history once it became clear he had lied to his wife and had had an affair.
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Neil Moors- Registered: 3 Feb 2016
- Posts: 1,220
What a spectacular fall from grace.
I am no supporter of Natalie Elphicke politically, but do really feel for her on a personal level.
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Jan Higgins- Location: Dover
- Registered: 5 Jul 2010
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-53515005
Seems Nathalie is not at all happy with him which is hardly surprising......."His wife Natalie Elphicke, the current Dover MP, said her husband's actions have ended their marriage. He will be sentenced in September."
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Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
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Jan Higgins wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-53515005
Seems Nathalie is not at all happy with him which is hardly surprising......."His wife Natalie Elphicke, the current Dover MP, said her husband's actions have ended their marriage. He will be sentenced in September."
She took a gamble, stuck by him and didn't speak out until he was convicted. She is just as complicit in the disgraceful attempt to cover up sexual abuse. I doubt it will be long before she resigns.
Captain Haddock- Location: Marlinspike Hall
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'She is just as complicit in the disgraceful attempt to cover up sexual abuse'.
Yet
'and didn't speak out until he was convicted'?
Personally I view her as another victim.
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ray hutstone- Registered: 1 Apr 2018
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Sums it up quite nicely. Sympathy for Natalie? There's a lot more deserving of sympathy in this world than she is.
But that sympathy went only so far. Some speak of a colleague who was described as “bombastic” and was inclined to swim at the top of the current.
One other woman who had been an MP recently told the Guardian of Elphicke: “Smarmy bugger, suspect where there is smoke, there is fire. Tried it on with me a bit.”
She praised the role of two female Conservative MPs in dealing with the allegations, Margot James and Anne Milton, who she said would “never have dreamed” of putting party before doing the right thing. Soubry says that too often the opposite has happened. James put the young parliamentary worker in touch with Milton, then chief whip, who advised the woman that she should consider speaking to the police.
But it was another woman, Elphicke’s wife, Natalie, who was his staunchest and most vocal defender throughout, accusing the party HQ of tipping off the media before he was informed of his suspension. In the 2019 election she won her husband’s former seat for the Conservatives. A credible candidate in her own right with a background in law and Conservative policymaking, some sceptics nevertheless suggested she had been keeping the seat “warm” for her husband.
Now that he is facing a prison sentence, Natalie Elphicke has now also detached herself from him, tweeting less than an hour after the verdict that it “ends her 25 year marriage to the only man I have ever loved.”
Dover Pilot- Registered: 28 Jul 2018
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Captain Haddock wrote:Personally I view her as another victim.
Interesting. Presumably the Dover Conservative Association should be investigated for also victimising her. Coerced into selection?